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May. 20th, 2020 01:55 pm
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Eek it’s been quite a few months now since I’ve properly visited LJ, I’ve mostly been on Twitter this year and really lost track of this site I’m afraid, but I came across this article today and thought it was interesting after the many fandom debates there have been on this question


Buffy The Vampire Slayer creator would make Willow bisexual in modern-day remake after being persuaded against it: ‘We’re not ready for that’

Speaking exclusively to Metro.co.uk, Joss says that some of the confusion regarding Willow’s sexuality would be cleared up today, since he was pressured to not make the character, over fears her same-sex attractions would feel like a ‘phase.’ ‘There are you things you can’t do, thanks to [the society at the time],’ the Marvel director explained.

‘It [was] like, “OK, you can’t make Willow bi, you can’t say this is a phase, because that’s what people do to deny their existence.”‘

Joss continued: ‘So, if I did it now, I’d be like yes she can be bi. Because some people are! But back then it was like, no…we’re not ready for that.’
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'Buffy the Vampire Slayer': Jordie Bellaire, Jeanine Schaeffer Talk Taking the "Ultimate Marvel" Approach to the New Series


JB: I think me and Jeanine when we first started talking about the project, we both talked about how we both love Willow. I think Willow definitely has a lot of charm being this sweet, quiet, bookish girl, but she really came into her own confidence in the later parts of the show. I just think that's the thing that young girls need today, you know, I think we need strong female characters who are confident, not just shrinking violets. Not to say that obviously there aren't women who are like that, still confident, but I just thought it would be a nice flip and a nice change for once to have somebody smart, to have somebody sweet, who is also confident and who can speak her mind and can be honest, and open, and frank


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JB: Well again, I think like the reversal of Willow, I really liked Dru and her journey throughout the show and the books and stuff, and I really wanted to start her off strong and maybe a little brazen and arrogant. I think that her being a strong character and kind of being frightening, not because she's so unhinged because of what had happened to her in her history. I really wanted her to come off just completely like dominant, completely controlling, really frightening, just like The Master. Again, reversing the idea that there is a male antagonist to Buffy, but actually that her greatest foe could actually be a woman. That's sort of why we went with that for Dru. In my mind, I just want to see her starting off kicking ass, like right away. I don't want us to think, "Oh poor Dru." I want to kind of be like, "I don't want to be in the same room with her at all. She's horrifying."


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JB: Well, I think Spike is a sweetheart. He's a big old sweetie pie. I'm a big Team Spike. I really like Spike, and I think that he is a poet. I mean, imagine how a poet's gonna get on with a domineering lady in his life. It's probably not going to be super great for Spike. I don't think he's gonna have a lot of agency. I don't think he's gonna have a lot of his own say or control of things. So that's sort of the relationship I'm interested to explore.

I think maybe originally he kind of pretended that he was a bit more equal than I think he actually felt comfortable. I think we're gonna lean into the fact that he's an outsider, even among outsiders, especially near Dru



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And my final nitpick is that I read on ONTD that the Prophecy has been changed? It’s no longer "Into every generation a slayer is born: one girl in all the world, a chosen one. She alone will wield the strength and skill to fight the vampires, demons, and the forces of darkness; to stop the spread of their evil and the swell of their number. She is the Slayer."

It’s now

-"Into every generation a slayer is born; A Chosen One. They alone will wield the strength and skill to fight vampires, demons, and the forces of darkness; to stop the spread of their evil and the swell of their number. They are the Slayer."

That’s one of the most bizarre changes to me in fact, it’s meant to be more inclusive to use neutral pronouns I guess, but the whole concept of Buffy from the beginning was celebrating female power?


To be a little more positive though, I do like that the art looks miles better than the artist they used for the season 8 comics (the article has lots of examples of the inside art). I just wish they didn’t feel the need to completely change preexisting characters, while still giving them the same name. It’s interesting that I haven’t heard them discuss Buffy much actually, so I assume that means that she hasn’t been changed as much as the supporting cast?
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Sarah Michelle Gellar to Star in Thriller Sometimes I Lie From Ellen DeGeneres

Sarah Michelle Gellar is staking her claim on a new TV venture, preparing to star in and executive-produce a limited series about a woman trapped inside her own body.

Gellar will lead Sometimes I Lie, which is based on the novel of the same name by Alice Feeney, our sister site Deadline reports. The Buffy the Vampire Slayer vet will play Amber Reynolds, who wakes up in a hospital bed, paralyzed, mute and unable to open her eyes — but she can hear everything that’s going on. She doesn’t know what landed her there, and the action skips around among the present, her childhood and the recent past.

Ellen DeGeneres and Jeff Kleeman (Splitting Up Together) will executive-produce alongside Gellar; Warner Bros. TV will produce. At this time, no network is attached to the series

Sometimes I Lie will be Gellar’s first major series since CBS’ The Crazy Ones, which was cancelled in 2014. She also voices characters in Robot Chicken and Star Wars Rebels.



This is very cool news, after The Crazy Ones was cancelled it really seemed like she was done with acting
Eliza Dushku: I worked at CBS. I didn’t want to be sexually harassed. I was fired

By Eliza Dushku

The narrative propagated by CBS, actor Michael Weatherly, and writer-producer Glenn Gordon Caron is deceptive and in no way fits with how they treated me on the set of the television show “Bull’’ and retaliated against me for simply asking to do my job without relentless sexual harassment. This is not a “he-said/she-said” case. Weatherly’s behavior was captured on CBS’s own videotape recordings.
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I feel compelled to chronicle what actually happened after The New York Times published a story about how CBS handled my allegations. I declined to be interviewed for that piece because I wanted to honor the terms of my settlement with the network. I was under the impression that Weatherly and Caron would also not respond per our settlement. Instead, all commented to the Times in what amounted to more deflection, denial, and spin.

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First Look: BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER Cast Gets a Gen-Z Makeover From BOOM!

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BOOM! Studios today unveiled the first look at characters designs from BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER by Russ Manning Award-winning artist Dan Mora (Klaus, Saban’s Go Go Power Rangers).

Debuting in comic shops on January 9th, 2019 in partnership with 20th Century Fox Consumer Products, BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER #1 reimagines the groundbreaking pop culture phenomenon from the very beginning!

Alongside Mora, Eisner Award-nominated writer Jordie Bellaire (Redlands) and series creator/story consultant Joss Whedon (the visionary writer/director behind Firefly, Marvel’sThe Avengers, and more) invite readers to meet a Buffy Summers like the one they know – trying to make friends at her new school, get decent grades, and to escape her imposed destiny as the next in a long line of vampire slayers tasked with defeating the forces of evil. But the Slayer’s world looks a lot more like the one outside your window, as this new series brings her into a new era with new challenges, new friends...and a few enemies you might already recognize (including fan-favorite Drusilla’s debut as THE MISTRESS).



Hmm not sure how I feel about some of the redesigns, the art is certainly well done and looks good, but I don’t recognise what they’ve done with the original characters in some cases...For example it seems a shame to completely lose Drusilla’s Victorian look, I can’t see the original character in suits at all? And Buffy looks cool, but it’s a little bit strange to see her more practically dressed in flannel and jeans when there was such an emphasis on her wanting to be traditionally ~girly~ during the high school years of the tv series, that conflict was a pretty big part of the show, no?

Willow is the strangest to me though, again she looks cool, but literally nothing like how high school Willow would ever dress? It was always bad fashion with that character, brightly coloured tights and garish pink jumpers, and here she’s in short skirts and midriff bearing tops? That just seems like the exact opposite of how Willow was portrayed before, she was certainly way too embarrassed to wear anything revealing when Buffy suggests it for Halloween, so how drastically are they rebooting here?

Nice to see that they kept Spike’s classic look the same as ever though *g* And apparently no designs released as yet for Giles, Cordelia, and Angel?
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Urgh sorry to have disappeared for so long, I’ve finally managed to resolve the issues with my home broadband :shakes fist at TalkTalk:

So what does everyone think about the news that’s just come out on a Buffy reboot?

One of the most beloved TV series of the past two decades, Joss Whedon’s Buffy the Vampire Slayer, is making a comeback. A reboot of the supernatural drama is in development at Fox 21 TV Studios, the cable/streaming division of 20th Century Fox TV, the studios behind the original series, which ran for seven seasons, first on the WB and then on UPN

Midnight, Texas creator Monica Owusu-Breen has been tapped as writer, executive producer and showrunner of the new Buffy the Vampire Slayer, with the original series’ creator and showrunner Whedon set to executive produce alongside original series’ exec producers Gail Berman, Fran Kazui and Kaz Kazui as well as Joe Earley from Berman’s Jackal Group.

The new version, which will be pitched to streaming and cable networks this summer, will be contemporary, building on the mythology of the original. Per the producers: “Like our world, it will be richly diverse, and like the original, some aspects of the series could be seen as metaphors for issues facing us all today.”

According to sources, the diversity in the show’s description reflects the producers’ intention for the new slayer to be African American. The sources cautioned that the project is still in nascent stages with no script, and many details are still in flux


(Article from deadline which LJ won’t let me link)

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I recently finished reading Slayers and Vampires: The Complete Uncensored, Unauthorised, Oral History of Buffy the Vampire Slayer & Angel

The reviews for it seem in the low side, and I suppose the way it’s put together with just assorted bits from various interviews is a bit haphazard, but I really enjoyed it anyway. Even as a longtime Buffy fan, it had quite a bit of new info in there for me.

I found out a lot about Charisma Carpenter especially which I hadn’t been aware of before, she goes into a lot of detail about her anxiety and how hard it made her to learn lines. Apparently even when she was performing in talent shows when she was younger, she would have the routines memorised, but then her mind would just freeze up on the day and she would forget what she was meant to be doing. It was the same with learning lines, she said that people on the set were actually really great about it because they knew that it wasn’t just a case of being unprepared, that she really was trying. I read the authors elsewhere talking about how Sarah *did* give Charisma a hard time for constantly forgetting her lines, and so she was always worrying about being fired, but in the book at least she says that everyone in the cast was very understanding, it was more that she kept worrying about how sick of her they must be. She notes feeling very inadequate when the lead actress was 4 or 5 years younger than her and always knew all her lines without any problems, while Charisma kept struggling over her same few lines, and that it’s a really big deal when you’re costing a production money by not being able to get your lines in one or two takes. She was having meetings with the producers, her agents were being called, and she felt awful about it. She ended up taking anti-anxiety medication, she went to a psychiatrist, and the producers hired an acting coach for her after asking her what else they could do to help. She also struggled a lot with hitting her mark because she was so inexperienced, and one cameraman in particular would make her feel stupid for not getting it.

James Marsters notes that Sarah was great if you knew all your lines, hit your marks, and were prepared, but it was very hard for her because they were regularly filming up to 16/17/18 hours a day, it would often go up to 20 hours even and they would rarely see the sun. The show was known as Buffy The Weekend Slayer in the industry as they were filming for such unusually long hours, and it was especially draining on Sarah as she had to carry so much of the show.


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Mar. 30th, 2017 03:05 pm
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Buffy the Vampire Slayer cast reunites for 20th anniversary

The weekly publication "reunited the cast and creator Joss Whedon for their first joint interview and photo shoot in over a decade."


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Name an episode (or episodes, as many as you like) from one of the following shows and I will tell you the following about it.

Buffy, Doctor Who, Farscape, X-Files


What I like about it.

What I don't like about it.

Favorite line.

Best performance.

A scene/idea from it that's particularly interesting to me.

Something I would have changed to make the episode better.

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Jan. 19th, 2017 10:37 am
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Give me a character and I'll tell you:



Why I like them

Why I don't

Favourite Season:

Favorite episode:

Favourite Line:

Favorite outfit:

OTP:

Brotp:

Unpopular opinion:

A wish:

An oh-god-please-dont-ever-happen:
I've probably talked about this before (well I feel like I've talked about everything Buffy-related at this point lol), but I've just been re-watching a few Buffy episodes and OAFA does such a terrible job with setting up Dawn's PoV as this neglected child. Firstly the opening seems to want you to feel badly for Dawn because Buffy is rushing off to patrol, so IMO it would have made more sense to then show that Buffy was secretly slipping off to be with Spike or something and covering up, or even just using vampire slaying in general as an excuse to stay disconnected. Instead we immediately see that Buffy *was* telling the truth about tracking down a new demon, in which case we are supposed to feel that she was being unfair to Dawn there how exactly? Or when Dawn asks Xander, Willow, and Anya if they can go shopping at the mall with her, and they explain very nicely that they can't because they have other commitments (work-related commitments for Xander and Anya). They even ask if Dawn is okay going alone, but apparently again we're meant to feel badly for Dawn because her older sisters friends can't make spur of the moment plans with her in the middle of the day, never mind that Dawn should have her own friends if she just wants someone to hang out with at the mall?

It seemed like the final message of the episode was that Dawn wanted everyone's lives to revolve around all staying together in her house all the time playing cards and having a slumber party, even though that's not remotely practical for adults. And it would be one thing if it was presented as Dawn being over emotional because of Joyce's death and having a skewed perspective, but the episode absolutely seemed to endorse everyone else being the bad guys and neglecting her, even though they were talking about having to leave for perfectly reasonable things like work or college classes. We're shown them all looking guilty when Halfrek talks about how much they're been ignoring Dawn, even though most episodes showed Buffy, Willow, and Tara particularly all making a big effort to babysit Dawn and look out for her (and Tara continues with the milkshake dates even after she breaks up with Willow). If anything they were over-protective of ever leaving Dawn by herself.

I can agree that Buffy was emotionally neglecting Dawn in season 6, but that didn't really seem to be what the episode was saying, it was all about them not spending enough of their time with her, even though I don't see how they were supposed to manage it differently when they had their own lives as well? And it ends on Buffy choosing to stay in with Dawn instead, but presumedly that meant that she would then be skipping patrolling for that night, so apparently the message is that keeping Sunnydale safe isn't as important as making time to hang out with her ignored younger sister? As Buffy once argued in Real Me, she only can't babysit Dawn because she's patrolling, it's not like she's not available for her sister because she's going to the sock hop

I really can't work out the perspective of the ME writers at times, one minute they're telling us that 20 year old Buffy is a failure as a grown-up because she's not able to run a household and financially support herself and Dawn without assistance from Giles, but then in other episodes they're telling us that 15 year old Dawn's emotional pain should take priority over the scoobies having work/college/patrolling to do
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Mar. 12th, 2016 02:41 pm
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The 19 greatest episodes of "Buffy the Vampire Slayer," in honor of the show's 19th birthday

I think I would have added Innocence, Doopelgangland, Who Are You, and Restless to my list, although I wouldn't know which episodes to take off for them! (I guess maybe Band Candy, Life Serial, and Seeing Red?) I've noticed that Innocence seems to often get left off lists like these in favour of Passion, but personally I find Innocence to be the much stronger episode overall, even though the chase sequence from Passion might be more memorable

And season 4 should really have more than two episodes on there IMO, the central arc might not have been the strongest, but there were still quite a few classic one-off episodes that year
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Jun. 26th, 2015 04:35 pm
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The Ultimate “Buffy The Vampire Slayer” Poll


1. Which is the Best Season of Buffy?

The most popular seasons in order were 3, 2, 5, 6, 1, 4, 7. I am surprised that season 3 beat season 2, it's usually season 2 that's always brought up as the classic season, otherwise the results are about what I'd have expected. Season 4 deserves to be higher though :(

I voted season 3, although half of the people discussing the poll are confused at all the love that it's getting lol, it seems to be a real love it or hate it season with a lot of people not getting what's the big deal about that year? I dunno, I just always think of it as the classic high school season when they were really hitting their stride, it's so much more polished than season 2 when it comes to balancing MotW episodes with the central arc, and there are a TON of classic episodes that year (The Wish! The Prom! Lover's Walk! Earshot! Doopelgangland!) Plus it had Faith of course <3 My own order of favourite seasons would probably be 3, 5, 6, 4, 2, 1, 7.

2. Who is the best character from the original Scooby Gang?

Buffy, Willow, Giles, and Xander in again about the order that I'd expect. Buffy and Willow are actually tied very closely, Giles is quite far behind, and then Xander even further. I voted Buffy as my fav :)

3. Who is the best recurring female character?

Results were Anya, Cordelia, Faith, Tara, Dawn. Nothing too surprising there, although I did wonder if Cordelia would be placed higher as she seems to have a huge tumblr-based fandom, but Anya was actually ahead by quite a significant margin. I was torn between voting for Anya or Faith, but ultimately went with Anya

4. Who is the best recurring male character?

Spike had that one in the bag shockingly enough, then Angel, Oz, and finally Riley with just 1% of the votes lol. And I'm sure my flist doesn't need to ask who I voted for :P

5. Who is the most underrated male character?

Results were Andrew, Wesley, Jonathan, Robin Wood, Warren. I mean for me it was hard to see any of those characters as underrated as I wasn't that crazy about any of them really? Wesley would be a good candidate I suppose as he developed so much on Angel, but just looking strictly at his Buffy appearances, I wouldn't have voted for him. I ended up voting for Robin Wood, but I don't really know why at all lol. I just couldn't vote for any of the trio, and as I said, I don't think that Wesley's season 3 appearances are particularly underrated. It's a pretty hopeless selection to choosen between, but Robin Wood did at least have an interesting tie-in to the main arc I suppose

6. Who is the most underrated female character?

Sooo much easier *g* The votes go Drusilla, Joyce, Harmony, Jenny Calender, Kendra, Kennedy. Nothing too surprising about those results, although Kennedy did pick up a few more votes than I would have predicted at 3%! I voted for Drusilla cause I LOVE her, otherwise I would have probably gone with Harmony as my next fav as she was always a lot of fun IMO

7. Which character is your least favourite?

Dawn headed that list booo, she's really least favourite next to characters as widely reviled as Riley and Kennedy?! Meh. Anyway the vote goes Dawn, Riley, Principal Synder, Kennedy, Veruca, Parker, and Kathy Newman. I'm surprised that Synder got as many votes as he did, the whole point of his character was that he was supposed to be annoying, as opposed to the usual unpopular names that come up because viewers didn't see them how the writers intended to portray them. I voted for Kennedy anyway


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May. 7th, 2015 06:47 pm
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Rather random entry heh, but something on tumblr recently made me wonder what everyone else's view of Joyce on Buffy was? I always felt like the writers thought that she was coming across as this really great mother and that she and Buffy were so close, but eh to me she always seemed to act like she was just waiting for Buffy to throw some more trouble in her path and that Buffy was such a chore to handle, but I'm not sure that was really justified? I.e telling Buffy not to get kicked out on her first day starting at a new school, or in an episode like Bad Eggs when she is constantly grounding Buffy and trying to catch her out, even without any conclusive proof that Buffy had done anything wrong. And in School Hard she apparently immediately swallowed every word that Synder said to her about Buffy (Joyce was acting very pissed and "in the car now" after his little talk with her) even though Buffy had been doing everything she could to help out at parents teacher night, as well as covering for Sheila's lack of participation at the same time, yet she clearly knew that Joyce wouldn't believe her if she explained that Synder was someone who just had it in for her

And it wasn't like Buffy was ever an openly defiant and hostile teenager, she was never rude and snapping at her mother from what I recall, yet Joyce seemed to constantly be on the alert before Buffy had even done anything wrong. I guess I felt like past events in LA had left Joyce stuck on a very unfair view of Buffy as this wayward teen who was constantly bringing drama into Joyce's life, even though we rarely saw much evidence of seasons 1 and 2 Buffy actually being that rebellious or out of control, even from Joyce's perspective of not knowing that Buffy was the slayer. At worst she caught Buffy fully dressed late at night in Bad Eggs and suspected her of sneaking out late (although she was actually just talking with Willow on the phone and dealing with her wayward egg heh). And c'mon, even if Buffy had been sneaking out to meet up with her friends, it's not like it's unknown for teenagers to do that occasionally! It would hardly made Buffy this nightmare teenager that's impossible to deal with, but you wouldn't know it from some of Joyce's reactions to what Buffy ~puts her through~

Buffy was hardly associating with gangs and giving the impression that she was about to go off the rails, for a start being best friends with the shy and studious Willow (whom Joyce certainly seemed to like) was pretty far removed from her life of hanging out with shallow popular kids in the Becoming flashback. Yet Joyce still often seemed to act like she was just waiting for Buffy to throw some trouble her way again? Not really the actions of a supportive mother who is committed to giving her daughter a second chance IMO

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Mar. 17th, 2015 02:30 pm
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Smallville's John Schneider Dislikes Man Of Steel's Jonathan Kent

“I love Kevin, and I love what Kevin does. But I didn’t care for one scene in there, where Jonathan was advising Clark to do something that was self-serving, it was tell a lie, I can’t remember exactly what it was. I think Jonathan Kent is the best dad perhaps ever depicted on television. And I don’t mean my work, I just mean the man I was fortunate enough to play. He was a great father, and I don’t think the one in Man of Steel was a great father. He had some flaws that don’t belong in a comic book. I really had wished that had been me.”


Umm I haven't seen Man Of Steel yet and I'm not totally sure what moment he's commenting on, but since when did Smallville's Jonathan Kent never advise Clark to tell a lie or be self-serving, the Kent's on Smallville were constantly advising Clark to lie and telling him how vital it was to always protect the secret?!?




And meme taken from my flist!

Give me a fandom (or more than one) and I'll tell you:

Character I'd let hang from a cliff
Character I'd frak or make-out with
Character I'd marry
Character I'd wrap a blanket around
5 favorite characters
3 OTPs
Funniest character
Prettiest character
Most bad-ass character
Character I'd like as my BFF

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Mar. 11th, 2015 04:00 pm
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18 reasons Buffy The Vampire Slayer was the best show on TV

Buffy The Vampire Slayer turned 18 years old yesterday, how about a celebratory post! :D Which were your favourite episodes/seasons/characters/ships/plot arcs? And feel free to post with your favourite gifs too!
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Feb. 12th, 2015 01:51 pm
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Okay so apparently there's a movement on tumblr lately discussing how women get punished for sex in Buffy, and that therefore Joss is no feminist. Yes it's a very old argument at this point lol, but I wanted to respond because I don't really agree with that. Obviously people have linked Buffy's sexual experiences together and seen messages that the show is apparently putting across, but when watching the show I never got the sense that we were supposed to see Buffy as being deserving of punishment for having sex

The experiences with Angel and Parker were experiences that a lot of young girls go through on the journey into adulthood, and that seemed to be all that the writers were going for there. There was never any message or lecturing on how Buffy should have waited longer before sleeping with Parker, Buffy feels like a fool for falling for Parker's lines and beats herself up over it sure, but her friends all comfort her and say that Parker is the jerk. It's made very clear that Parker was the only one in the wrong for how he played Buffy, Willow laughs in his face in Bear Bad over what an obvious player he is, Riley punches him in the face for making degrading remarks about using Buffy, and caveslayer Buffy bops him on the head with a wooden stick

There were also never any lecturing or finger-wagging in Innocence along the lines of "what were you thinking to sleep with someone at your age", it was all about the heartbreak of first love and the guy changing after you've slept with him. None of Buffy's friends ever say that she was in the wrong for sex with Angel (Xander later questions Buffy letting her heart get in the way with Angelus, but never for the actual sex), in fact Willow was encouraging Buffy to seize the day. Joyce (who doesn't have all the facts when she meets "stalker Angelus") does give Buffy a motherly lecture on how she doesn't understand Buffy's bad judgement in sleeping with someone so clearly unstable, but the more knowledge Giles tells Buffy that he knows that she wants to hear that she did a bad thing, but all she will get from him is his respect and admiration. Is that not the exact opposite of shaming Buffy for her sexual choices?

And there are complaints that Buffy was never allowed to be in a positive sexual relationship, but isn't that exactly what she does enjoy with Riley in season 4 before viewers complained about how bored they were by that? Their first sexual encounter is portrayed very positively in The I In Team with them both turned on after patrolling, and in Where The Wild Things Are the whole point of that episode was that the spirits being released were caused by an evil woman who repressed and shamed children for perfectly healthy and normal sexual desires, not that Buffy and Riley were the ones at fault for having too much sex! Buffy and Riley were not punished or blamed for it, it was played as a joke that they got so wrapped up in the sex they were having that they ignored everything else, not anything that the gang seriously criticised them for.

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