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Umm yeah, so I would argue that they either needed to bring in new writers with fresh ideas and go all-in with MotW episodes, or they needed to accept that they only had 6 episodes and should have committed to making both episodes 5 and 6 mythology-based at the very least. The finale would have worked a lot better IMO if it had been a two-parter with more time to gradually build up to more and more people starting to get sick, instead it just didn't work to cram all of the mythology into the first and last episodes, while completely dropping the conspiracy in the middle in order to have the usual mixture of MotW episodes that they had in the 22 episode seasons. That...doesn't work when you only have 6 episodes to play around with. If we have another season then I would say that they either need to go about structuring the season very differently (commit to either MotW or the myth-arc, not try doing both at the same time), or they need to just negotiate getting at least 10-12 episodes so that they can tell all the stories that they want to tell without having to cram everything in

Overall the series started stronger for me definitely. I was one of the few (?) that actually enjoyed My Struggle, although admittedly that was party down to the excitement of seeing Mulder and Scully again, I can't yet say whether it will hold up on rewatch :P And Founder's Mutation and Home Again were both solid episodes, while I absolutely loved Mulder & Scully Meet The Were-Monster, so it's really only the final two CC scripts that flopped for me. Babylon could definitely have been sacrificed in order to spend the last two episodes pacing out the myth-arc more carefully for a start. Idk maybe Frank Spotnitz would have made the difference as well, I believe that he was the one mostly working alongside CC on the mythology in the original series?

Mostly I'm not in a very good frame of mind at the moment because Chris Carter has since said that, while he does expect the show to return at some point, they might not even start negotiations for months. I really think that it's unfair to end a mini-series like that when they don't even know if we will be getting more episodes next year. It's bad enough waiting for resolution for a cliffhanger in an on-going television series, let alone for a mini-series when no future deals have even been worked out yet

How would everyone rank the episodes?
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Date: 2016-02-23 05:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rachg82.livejournal.com
I would rank the first episode as a 2 or 3 (0 being fucking terrible & 10 being fucking great -- the shippy moments & excitement of having XF back on my TV are the only reasons I didn't give it a zero. I am still outraged at how they ruined 9 years of established mythology, clearly not caring a whit whether it even made sense). Episode 2 gets a 7. Episode 3 gets an 8. Episode 4 gets a 7.5. Episode 5 gets a 1. And, finally, episode 6 gets a "fuck it, I can't even rank this shit. A negative 1?" The new mythology completely contradicts the original series, and it didn't have to be that way. If they wanted a contagion episode, the alien virus was right there in the canon, waiting to be brought back. And then they need William's stem cells for some reason? Why couldn't they just use Scully's? And then a cliff-hanger? Ugh. I'll just stop myself here, because this rant belongs in my own journal & not Debbie Downer-ing your comment threads.

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Date: 2016-02-23 05:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
Oh it's okay really, I think that most of us are feeling pretty disgruntled at the moment. Honestly the premiere probably didn't bother me as much as it bothered you because I never really kept up with the mythology, or even the later seasons, so I wasn't really comparing it to the existing mythology which I never managed to keep straight anyway! :P It's all kind of a blur to me after seasons 5/6 tbh

And the finale was just so rushed that it was hard to feel any real sense of urgency, and there was certaintly no need for that cliffhanger. I'm onboard with them not wrapping absolutely everything up when they are obviously hoping to do more, but you don't end a mini-series on that kind of 'to be continued' moment when you're talking about negotiations for another season not happening for months, and having another project to do first :(

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Date: 2016-02-23 05:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stargazer60.livejournal.com
I agree with your comments. The finale last night was so rushed, it definitely could have been spread out over two episodes, all the info they were throwing out at us. Scully and Einstein spent so much time in the lab, I think some of that medical jargon could have been cut out. (But what exactly? I don't know...).

With only six episodes, yes, the planning and spacing should have been different. I always liked the MOTW episodes, but maybe they should have only done three of them and had three mythology episodes.

Rankings? I'll use a 1-5 scale with 5 being AWESOME!

My Struggle - I'm going to give this a 4 only because I was so THRILLED to have NEW episodes with Mulder and Scully on my tv.

Founder's Mutation - 3.5

Mulder & Scully Meet the Were-Monster - 5

Home Again - 4

Babylon - 2

My Struggle II - 3

Overall, I did enjoy it, but I just think we as fans got slightly gypped with that cliffhanger of an ending and not knowing when we'll get the answers we want (and deserve).

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Date: 2016-02-23 05:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
Aww same, I was really swept along by My Struggle and the excitement of how much it reminded me of traditional X-Files, especially after the critics response made me come into it with lowered expectations. It felt like one of the better M/S episodes too actually with a bit more examination of their break-up, which didn't really get addressed much otherwise. Lol it felt like that was something that CC alone was interested in actually, I can't say that I would have even known that they were supposed to be broken up in episodes like Home Again if not for the premiere telling us that they were

And yeah we rate the other episodes similarly, I'd say that both 2 and 4 were solid episodes, and 3 was the one outright classic. I'd give Babylon a 1 though, other than the M/S scenes I really wasn't a fan of that one :( It especially feels like a waste when you consider the pacing issues with the finale, I really wonder why CC wanted that episode to be the fifth one, instead of just making the finale a two-parter. I guess that he wanted a shot at writing at least one MotW episode as part of the revival, but it left things feeling a bit unbalanced to have another attempt at a ~wacky~ episode with Mulder's dream and the Mulder and Scully clones, even though Darin Morgan (and Vince Gilligan of course!) were always the masters at those episodes. A really scary traditional monster episode might have been a better fit there instead actually if CC wanted to go with a MotW episode, whereas I'm not sure what his intention was with Babylon as it felt like the tone was all over the place
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Date: 2016-02-23 06:36 pm (UTC)
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Date: 2016-02-23 07:07 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shapinglight
I just watched the last episode and have to say, while it wasn't actually offensive like the previous one, I agree with you that it tried to cram far too much into one episode, with the consequence that the whole thing came across (to me anyway) as totally farcical. I didn't have time to suspect my disbelief because there was just too much conspiracy stuff/daft science to swallow in just one episode.

I think Chris Carter just shouldn't write for this show any more. I know it's his baby, but I've ended up very underwhelmed by the whole thing.

I can't remember the titles of all the episodes, but I'd rank ep 3 as the best, followed by 4, then 2, then 1. Ep 6 comes next, but only because anything looks better after ep 5. :(

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Date: 2016-02-23 07:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
Yeah I've seen that expressed a lot regarding CC, and I think that season 10 was particularly damaged by his contributions because it was such a shortened season. Hopefully if they do take more time to plan out season 11, they might learn from where they went wrong and make sure to schedule it at a time when they can squeeze some more episodes in? I'd guess they were all struggling with the six episode restriction and didn't entirely know how to work with it, I read that the fourth episode was originally planned as a separate MotW episode from the personal drama with Scully for example, but then they had to combine the two story ideas into one because of the limited episode order

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Date: 2016-02-23 07:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] megan-moonlight.livejournal.com
I haven't started watching yet because I was waiting for it to end so I could binge-watch, but I've read so many mixed opinions about it that I'm kind of curious how will I feel about all the episodes.

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Date: 2016-02-23 07:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
I started off feeling pretty positive, but admittedly the final two episodes were a bit of a downer for me, I'll be interested in hearing what you think of them all :) It seems like its the casual fans who enjoyed it more at first for the pure nostalgia of seeing Mulder and Scully again actually, whereas the more dedicated fans tended to get understandably annoyed at how the previous mythology was being contradicted and rewritten. I'll admit that I was always a more casual fan when it came to the conspiracy though, so I've been happy to hand wave a lot of that stuff and just focus on getting more M/S scenes. I am M/S trash as they say on tumblr these days :P

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Date: 2016-02-23 07:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] megan-moonlight.livejournal.com
I was never into Mulder/Scully (I love their friendship though), so I really wonder what will I focus on after I finish watching XD It's difficult to predict.

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Date: 2016-02-23 07:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
Heh well I'm trying not to say too much that's spoilery, but I wouldn't say that the majority of M/S scenes were all *that* shippy actually? It's pretty traditional X-Files most of the time when it comes to them working on cases together as very close co-workers, I think you should enjoy that aspect of it. Just putting the two of them in a scene together is enough to thrill my inner shipper, so my perspective is probably skewed *g*

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Date: 2016-02-24 02:15 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] molly_may
I guess if I were ranking the episodes from what I liked best to what I liked least, it would probably be 3,2,4,1,6,5. But honestly, episode 3 is head and shoulders above any of the others (and 2 and 4 are basically interchangeable to me) and everything else is okay to awful.

When they first announced that they would be doing mythology episodes for S10, I was kind of disappointed. I was hoping it would be six MOTW episodes. And I say that as someone who LOVED the mythology episodes in the first five seasons. But sometime after the first movie, and certainly by S8, Carter lost sight of how the conspiracies fit together and just started throwing everything he could think of into the mix (supersoldiers wtf) until it was completely incomprehensible.

Ending on a cliffhanger without knowing when or even if the show is going to come back at all is just...ugh. If there is a Season 11 (and I'm sure there will be), my one wish would be for Chris Carter to leave the writing to someone else.

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Date: 2016-02-25 07:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
Yeah in retrospect it really *should* have been do-able for all six episodes to be classics alongside the Darin Morgan one, with such a limited run each writer was only getting their one shot at a classic MotW, so you would expect only their very best ideas. Instead even Morgan and Wong didn't produce what you would call real stand-out episodes. I mean they were fine, but nothing truly outstanding. They desperately need fresh blood in the writers room...

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Date: 2016-02-24 06:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] janetmaca.livejournal.com
Hmm... I was busy screaming "WHAT THE HELL" (maybe not "hell") for the rest of the night. WHAT DID THEY DO TO MY REYES? :( :( :( I am still experiencing capslocky rage, as you can plainly see. I felt that no matter what they did to improve the episode (yes, Babylon could've been scrapped for giving us more Mythology) it could not improve my feelings after what they did with Monica. That being said, I died when I watched Babylon, I was so excited to see a glimpse of Stephen Lobo that I missed the Lone Gunmen the first time around! My ranking is
1. Founders Mutation
2. Mulder and Scully Meet the Were-Monster
(these two can switch depending on my mood, Were-Monster was funnier and I cared more about the case but Founders Mutation has the heartbreak. They just killed me with the flashbacks)
3. Home Again
4. My Struggle
5. My Struggle II
6. Babylon- Two seconds of an actor is not enough to save the episode. There was this Canadian show about making tv and a character once said they were doing their part in fighting terrorism- all their bad guys were from the Middle East. This episode made me think of that.

I'm just frustrated that we don't know for sure if we'll get another mini-series or movie to conclude things. Hopefully we'll get another miniseries, and I'm with you, trying to do a combo of Mythology/MotW in 6 episodes kind of rushed things a lot.

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Date: 2016-02-25 07:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
CC has said something about hoping for another movie now, but yeah I'm definitely hoping for another miniseries instead, just hopefully with a few more episodes and more writers. And yeah it's a shame, it could have been much stronger if they had either used all six episodes on the My Struggle storyline, or if they'd just gone for six MotW episodes. It felt too 90's for them to try and tell a story so epic in scope for their premiere and finale, while not developing it at all in the middle. I could swear that I read that originally they were planning to have an arc running through all six episodes, and it would be more continuity-heavy than the series was, but it looks like maybe I dreamed that :P

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Date: 2016-02-25 07:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] janetmaca.livejournal.com
I'm up for anything if they could just fix Reyes' story. I was worried that it would be all mythology but the two they set aside just were not enough. That being said, I thought all the episodes would follow the My Struggle storyline, too. It wasn't just you. I thought we'd get Joel McHale and Annabeth Gish in all 6 episodes- I'm not sure if I'm sad or happy that I was wrong.