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Weird. Hopefully Gwen/Owen will stick together. I stopped watching once they were over.

I think it's just going to be John Barrowman from the original cast.

I wonder if that's why the BBC kept hesitating on committing to a new series, John Barrowman is maybe going to be tied up in America doing TW with a new cast

Yeah, I read that. Hopefully if they have the same characters then they'll get together.

I don't know... I don't think he's going to have enough appeal to American audiences to carry the show. Beside the American TW fan base. Also, I don't trust Fox to do Janto justice. Chances are they probably won't even have Janto.

Hmm actually they do say that "some" of the current cast might be included, so I guess they might include Gwen as well? I'm guessing there's not much chance of getting Tosh, Ianto, or Owen back though :/

And yeah I think it could do all right on one of the smaller networks, but I can't see it getting the ratings to last long on FOX

From the sound of it, it looks like they're trying for John Barrowman to play Captain Jack, & then have a US Torchwood team, I guess? I don't know, that might work I guess, as long as they referenced what's come before & all. But still, I wish they would stop trying to remake shows that are perfectly fine, it just annoys me. :(

Yeah I would probably watch if it was a continuation of Captain Jack's journey, rather than a complete remake cause meh to that

I wonder if this is them realising that it wasn't such a great idea to kill off so many of the cast if they then wanted to continue the series on the BBC, or if RTD was keen to kill so many of the regulars because of plans to transfer the show to America for a clean slate and new cast

WTF?

I will bet ten dollars that FOX approved some outline on the grounds of the first sentence including the words "action-packed" and "sexy." I do not think they read to the "omnisexual immortal emo former space pirate" part of the description. Captain Jack and FOX are unmixy things.

It will totally be like Firefly where FOX bought the pitch and then later were like, "BUT WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE COWBOYS IN SPACE? COULD WE MAYBE HAVE IT BE ABOUT SOMETHING NOT WITH COWBOYS IN SPACE??" after it was shot and Joss was like, YOU BOUGHT A SPACE COWBOY SHOW!

Hee yeah some people have been questioning whether FOX might have problems with the bisexual part of Jack's character description as well, but I'm wondering if the gay content will be that big a deal for them as it's only a few male/male kisses at the end of the day. The only sex scenes we ever got on the show were het (Owen/Diane, Owen/Gwen, Rhys/Gwen), even the main ship of the series was generally pushed as Jack/Gwen with the whole UST idea. I know that Janto was canon but, aside from the miniseries, I always felt like it was fandom that saw them as a bigger deal than the show ever did

So FOX could still have their male and female lead to push the more traditional relationship. I do suspect they won't want to include Gwen or Rhys though (I can't really see Eve Myles being female lead in a US-based show Idk), but will have John Barrowman and an all cast

Edited Date: 2010-01-19 05:48 pm (UTC)

I think the combo of sexuality AND Jack's actions in CoE are a dealbreaker when put together, if it's a continuation and not a reboot.

Omnisexual immortal emo former space pirate who's fed little kids to aliens and traded his grandson's life to save the world? HOW DO YOU PITCH THAT CHARACTER AS YOUR LEAD.

ALSO HIS GRAND ULTIMATE DESTINY IS TO END UP AS A HEAD IN A JAR.

ALSO HIS GRAND ULTIMATE DESTINY IS TO END UP AS A HEAD IN A JAR.

I'm really hoping that everyone involved has forgotten all about that! Except that apparently John Barrowman was incredibly excited when he heard, and thought it was an excellent idea for Jack. o_0

Wait? A US version? With US actors? Why? Because Americans don't understand BE?

Do. Not. Want!

I'm wondering if they're planning for it to replace the UK version actually if it's going to include the same writers (and RTD) as well as John Barrowman. They've pretty much killed off almost all the cast on current TW, and DW saw Captain Jack out on space on his own and seperated from Gwen and Rhys as well, so maybe it's being planned as more of a continuation with Jack based in America with an all- new cast? People have been wondering how they can possibly continue with current TW with the cast that they have left, and still keep enough people watching...

If it's a remake than that would be totally pointless I agree

I'm very confused about this trend to take perfectly good British shows and "redo" them for North American audiences (seeing as I'm Canadian and we get lumped in together!) The thing is the originals are great as they stand, and reinventing them and Americanizing them just tends to make them awful. Life on Mars, case in point.

Did you ever see the US Life On Mars? I was curious enough to get as far as the trailer, but when I saw the big beefy-looking guy they got to play Sam, well that was it for me and I could go no further o_0 From what I remember he had a really square-shaped head...

I watched the pilot episode of the US version, but it just didn't work for me. I could even more or less accept the Sam character, it was Harvey Keitel as Gene that I couldn't stand. He was just a thug, and had none of the charisma/class that Glenister brought to the role. It was disappointing.

Didn't they recast him? I did hear that they redid the pilot with a lot of new actors, but the one person they didn't replace with the Sam actor, and he was what bothered me the most. Well from the trailer at least :P He might have been a very good actor, but he just seemed all wrong for the part

I can't remember what the deal with the recasting was, but you're right in that the physical casting messed up some of the power dynamics. I always liked Gene (UK) throwing his weight around with light-weight Sam and his "nancy-boy" science. The dynamic between Keitel (short) and the US Sam (big guy!) didn't work.

Plus the US pilot was essentially the exact same script as the British pilot with a few changes, and it didn't work to just transplant it. Things like Gene saying "I'm the sheriff" got changed to "I'm the king of this kingdom" and that totally didn't work. I mean, how do you translate "I'm having hoops for dinner"?!?

Clearly, we're on the same page here.

"I'm the king of this kingdom"

Hee! Talk about going for the literal translation

And yeah I think I saw in the trailer that they had the exact same camerawork when Sam first wakes up in the 70's which ooookay

They recast everyone but Sam in the US version - and honestly I think it was for the better. They combined Ray & Chris into one character for the original pilot for some reason and the US version is actually the only Ray I like (I can't stand the UK one, but the actor seems lovely in his blog, etc). And I am apparently helpless in the face of Chris Skelton no matter the version.

Though as much as I like Harvey Keitel, I do wonder if Colm Meaney would've worked a little better as Gene too.

And yes, Jason O'Mara is Irish and um. I think he's hot. LOL. I am shallow and admit it.

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Oooh okay I didn't realise that, he did a really impressive American accent in that case! And I don't have anything against him as an actor, he just seemed so kind of square-headed and beefy compared to what I was expecting. The whole contrast between Sam as the skinny slightly nerdy guy more used to sitting behind computers and shuffling paperwork, and Gene being the action hero who was best at kicking ass. From what I remember (it has been a while now since I've seen it) the trailer presented Sam as kind of an action hero as well, so it just came off as so completely wrong to me *g*

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Yeah that's kind of where I'm at, depending on how they carry it off. So far I've not been that into watching a new series with just Jack and Gwen, but I would probably watch if it was a complete relaunch based in America. And it would be a new cast for everyone, so they could still do the typical pilot to introduce everyone etc, without annoying the existing fans

It'll be interesting to see if this is them trying something new with the next stage of TW, like they did with the five day mini-series instead of a complete season, or if it is just a remake in which case no thank you. But RTD and the original writing team being involved gives me hope, Idk I'm not as against it as most people seem to be *shrugs*

Now With 100% Less M/M Gayness! (The girls can keep kissing tho' because that's OKAY.)

Oh, Fox, plz.

I am wondering how honest RTD was when he pitched it, but then Fox have had male/male kisses on their network before, right?

There hasn't really been any sex scenes for them to balk at, and honestly it's not like there were all that many male/male kisses on TW, so I'm hoping the occasional slashy kiss won't be seen as a big deal by them. But perhaps I'm being rather too optimistic...

*palmface*
Aha ha ha.
First - on FOX? They're gonna cancel it before they finish filming episode 5, and before it even starts airing.
Second - it's an american network, so lets say goodbye to sex, violence and swearing. Basically, bye all the fun uncensored stuff.
Third, it's an american network, lets say goodbye to anything gay.
Ha ha ha, so. much. fail!

I mean, I don't care, I'm done with the show anyway. But this sounds too hilarious.

Should I take from this that you're not planning to watch then? :P

I actually think this could be better than trying to continue it with Jack, Gwen, and a whole bunch of new people in the existing sets. If it was a complete new start with John Barrowman and a new American cast I would prefer it in some ways. It will have the same writers so I'm going to assume that it will be a kind of continuation of Jack's story, rather than the dreaded remake with co-existing characters being replaced by American actors

But most people seem to think this has fail written all over it, so perhaps I am looking at it too optimistically *g*

Edited Date: 2010-01-19 07:00 pm (UTC)

Yeah, I'm done with it. They destroyed everything I loved about it. :(

Wasn't there a rumor about JM, Nathan Fillion and someone else guest starring?

rather than the dreaded remake with co-existing characters being replaced by American actors

Ha ha, true. I heard they're remaking Skins and Being Human. I just can't get over how pathetic they can get. Don't they have their own creative ideas?

I've not seen Being Human, but remaking Skins will suck hardcore. Part of what appeals to me is that they have shortened seasons so they don't need to stretch the storylines out annoyingly, and use ridiculous plots (although 8 seasons this series is a little too short for me granted :P ). And I also appreciate that all the actors are of the correct age for the characters. Plus actually having sex, swearing, and even nudity

Which seems like pretty much the opposite of the way that the US does teen drama, so really why bother :/ Do you know which network it will air on?

Dr Who type stuff made in America isn't a good idea. It's already been tried in the mid 90s Doctor Who movie that was a US production and it was total crap. They got it all wrong. But then I feel Torchwood was mostly crap anyway. Maybe if they killed Owen and Gwen in the first ep it would be better.

I have to admit I was never a big fan of Owen. He seemed to grow on people during season 2 but I never particularly cared when they killed off. Tosh's death was much sadder for me

Tosh was a more likable character.

For some reason I doubt Fox will have issues with bisexual/gay content (though may be keener on it if it's females), but also doubt it would last that long with Fox anyway. Though who knows, we could be surprised, and if it's just the American Team instead of a retreading of what went down before, it could have Gwen cameos.

~~if RTD is doing it I think I might be out though, or out until I hear the verdict from the fandom~~

IA, I wonder if they would have even considered RTD's proposal if they had issues with gay content? So long as it's just kissing (which is all current TW ever has when it comes to the slash couples anyway) I can't see it being that big a deal as I'm sure they've had males kissing on other shows of theirs. And I've always thought that Jack is more talk than action anyway, it's not like he's constantly caught up in raunchy scenes and can't get enough sex, he's more presented as a big flirt than anything else, for all that he gets hyped up as omnisexual

I think the bigger problem with it airing on Fox is that yeah it's not going to have the ratings to sustain itself, it seems like more of a cable show to me. Even over here it did originally start off on BBC2 before it proved itself in the ratings and they decided to move it to BBC1

Edited Date: 2010-01-19 07:19 pm (UTC)

NO JUST NO

That does seem to be the general consensus *g*

Well, After a LONG reflection and getting past knee jerk reaction

TW with just Jack and Gwen would mean we would still be getting use to a new cast either way.
Jack will be back
Gwen could guest a few times
More room with a possible 22 episodes instead of the basic 13 series
HOPE they still keep Jack's flirtatious ways.
HOPE it is a spin-off/continuation that acknowledges past canon and not a reboot.
Who knows, maybe we can get a surprise guest with Ten (an adventure from his missing year would be awesome)

HOPE it is a spin-off/continuation that acknowledges past canon and not a reboot.

Agreed. I hope that's the direction they're planning on anyway, a complete remake while still starring John Barrowman would be the most pointless thing ever

They actually thought this show was good enough to imitate? It was trash. Low down trash.

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