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With Greg Beeman. The Lana bits were the most amusing. And they did read the essay about Lana as a fetish object! If they know her character has a limited role and she has spend three seasons only being the object of the heros desire, well than why is she the second lead ahead of Lex Luther??? It's not so much her role I object too, it's all the screen time she eats up. All the shots of the camera lingering on her, nearly every ending focusing on her.

http://www.kryptonsite.com/beeman2004.htm

K-SITE: Is it true that you guys dress Kristin Kreuk in pink just to annoy us?

BEEMAN: At this point in time, I am amused by the anger of the fans, but no, not really.

Kristin, because I think she was always designed to be the princess, you know, the object of desire, I think the idea was to put her in very innocent colors, and she would be the innocent one. And frankly, she looks great in pink.

Kristin doesn't really like pink, and she hates being dressed in pink. I don't know whether Kristin goes online or not, but if she does, she probably really doesn't like the comments about her being the pink princess and everything. You know, she's very sensitive, actually, and I think she really objects to pink. So, I gave her a chance to pick her own colors on one episode, which was Crisis. And she picked this terrible color of green, and this terrible color of orange, and that was the end of that. And I think if you see the episode you'll agree, that the orange she chose, and the green she chose, were not a success. So, we were right back to pink.

she's very sensitive. I think that all that “I Hate Lana” stuff - how do you not take that personally? I think she's aware of it. I think it hurts her. I don't think she's always happy with Lana, and I think Lana's a really tricky character. She's a tricky character because I've read things like MobiusKlein's objectification of Lana, but, you know, in some ways, that's the truth, but in some ways, that's what it needs to be. Especially from the beginning. She was the object of his desire, and she motivated him. As a dramatic instrument, he needed to have something that made him want to move forward, and so Lana was that. She was in fact sort of an object. Miles and Al were always very alert to the fact that they didn't want her to only do that, and they gave the Talon to give her something to do.

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And poor Annette trying to get a decent storyline

K-SITE: It was probably a good opportunity for him to see some of the performances, like the whole Martha and Lionel interaction.

BEEMAN: Annette had come to Miles and Al before Season Two, and talked about the idea of wanting to work with John Glover, and they sort of constructed the whole storyline for her working for Lionel, sort of at her request. And that turned out really well, but then it sort of just got forgotten, through no fault of anybody.

That was a great storyline. I wish they'd kept it up, or at least finished it instead of just dropping it.

Me too. She was supposed to continue working for Lionel to spy on his Clark info. Then in Suspect it was completely dropped. John Glover made a sarky comment about how Lionel hadn't forgotten about his attraction to Martha, but apparently the writers have.

go Mobius!! hee. very interesting...

I know. In KK's place I would be very offended if my bosses kept describing me as an object for the hero, and seemingly everyone else in town, to worship. And this character, who they admit isn't all that well-rounded, gets placed ahead of the talented Michael Rosenbaum and gets more screentime than Lex Luther! I am still not over that.

Since Levin left though I've heard the new head of the WB isn't so impressed with the Lana focus. So hopefully things might change.

She was in fact sort of an object. Miles and Al were always very alert to the fact that they didn't want her to only do that, and they gave the Talon to give her something to do.

Well, finally one of them is honest. Thanks for the validation, Greg. I mean, he apparently approves of this, and I think it's disgusting, and apparently Kristin Kreuk agrees with me, but at least we all know we're not insane.

Isn't it funny how after reading this I now dislike Greg Beeman and I feel sorry for KK for having to put up with this bullshit?

I'd feel a lot sorrier for her if she could actually, you know, act.

I posted on Kryptonsite that she doesn't seem to be shy at all to people who have met her. While she seems to be a little conservative, she's very outgoing and friendly, and maybe she just thinks they're a giant pack of assholes like the rest of us do. I mean, is that what Al and Miles told Greg when they hired him? "Don't mind Kristin. She never speaks to us and keeps glaring because she's shy." *laughs and laughs*

I think she does get freaked out by them. The poor girl was barely 18 when they hired her. In the moment that they picked as the top five best moments from Smallville ever (the Lana strip) she point blank refused to do it and they got the double in so I imagine it must bother her. You just know Al masturbates to that piece of film constantly and pretends it really is KK.

For the Slumber strip the guest actress was saying the directer was saying to a shy KK "what's the problem, you've got such a fantastic body". Eww.

I do feel bad for KK having to put up with all the sleaze, but I'd be more sympathetic if she tried more. Yes she was hired for looks, but that doesn't excuse not putting the effort in. In the commentaries Tom and Michael were actually trying to keep her awake. How rude is that!

We already knew what was going on there from this interview (from k-site) "In the writers room, there were only two women, and a lot of guys -- we’re talking a lot of testosterone in that room. And [Kristin Kreuk] came in early on and met all of us. And she is loveliest, sweetest, most down-to-earth person. And she is stunningly beautiful, and then she left the writers’ room. Doris [Egan], the other female writer, and I are watching male eyes just slumping all over the room. [The male writers] had a hard time conceiving her as something other than someone you’d put on a pedestal because her beauty got in the way."

And then the female writers were let go so in season 2 it was nothing but the DOMOS (which really does suit them and is how I shall forever think of them now). The creepiness of it all.

Love your icon MissW.

I'm going to be laughing hysterically all night about the "shyness".

How do morons end up in their jobs at Smallville??

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HAHAHA-which leads me to KK is lacking in common sense and brain power.

I would write it off to lack of experience-but she's been hanging around MR, JG, AOT, and JS--so she should have MORE than enough experience in dealing with real actors, and she should know by now the difference between herself and Lana.

Personally, I still think she hates Lana cause Lana is a lot like her.

Wha does shyness have to do with anything is what I want to know.

"all that “I Hate Lana” stuff - how do you not take that personally?" If you were a trained actor who understands it's a character that's disliked than what's the problem? What happens if she ever plays an actual villain that is supposed to be hated? Is she going to collapse from the trauma of it all?

It's acting, people are disliking a fictional character, and it is mostly because of the writing.

But KK is sensitive so please don't hate Lana.

Hee-you deleted a post and I had answered it. :D Now I'm all over your page.

Hee-KK is too much like Lana to not take it personally I think. ;)

I'm always deleting posts because it won't let me edit them. I'm used to editing posts about a million times, hence in lj I reread my comment, catch the spelling mistakes, and resend the post.

I know-I have to do the same thing. With my new layout, I have trouble editing, so I just delete and start over. :D

What happens if she ever plays an actual villain that is supposed to be hated?

Problem is, I see Lana as a villainous character, or at least one with villainous tendencies -- what with the way every time Clark starts to lose interest, she turns on the "innocent seductress" act, like making goo-goo eyes at Clark over Mr. Fordman's grave.

Only somehow it seems like they don't realize that she's a villain. If they'd admit it and let us see her planning some scheme to keep The Boyfriend of the Week interested, I think I'd like her a lot more.

Me too. In Shimmer it was so messed up because she was totally out of line to keep Whitney as her back-up option and try to kiss Clark. If she wasn't satisfied with the attention she was getting, she should have ended things with Whitney. It did not give her a licence to cheat.

When the characters on the show all act like Lana is perfectly in the right to explore her options (even the "moral characters" like Martha) it makes the audience come down on Lana a lot tougher because she doesn't have to answer for her behavior. You would think Whitney had ben battering her the way people talked of him mistreating her!

In fact as early as Cool she was considering a date with Clark to make Whitney jealous. Lovely girl.

If they made her sort of vampy and flirty (especially just from the audience's pov), she'd probably be my favorite character, or second-favorite, after Lex. Maybe third after both of the boys.

But anyway . . .

Yeah, I loved bad Lana in Nicodemous.

I was put off by how totally out of the blue it seemed.

That and the fact that apparently Lana really believes that every man in town is desperately in something with her. :blech:

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That quote was Al Gough. This one right?

"What's interesting is that the online comic book fans don't like her [Lana], but everyone else does. But they've never liked her online. She's too beautiful, basically. Chloe can betray Clark to Lionel Luthor and they'll forgive her. Lana looks at him [Clark] wrong and she's damned."

Personally I think KK looks best in black. But oh no that's a colour for the villians horrors!

And I don't remember this from the commentry, I may have blacked it out, but someone was saying on the season 1 commetry Al stated if he was Clark he'd stalk Lana. And he's in his 40s! He really needs to calm down with the KK lusting.

Are you serious??? EWWWWW!!! Dude, that's just -- Wrong. XP

yeah, i've been trying to catch up by watching the dvds and one of the producers did say that in the commentary for the bug boy episode. i'm pretty sure it was al gough. kind of disturbing ...

Kind of! I need to scrub my brain now, I feel filthy lol.

yeah i thought the orange and green tees suited her well. she actually looked more like a person than just a lana.

Anything suits her more than pink does. KK has an olive skin tone and pink completely washes her out. Obviously the actress knows what colours suit her more. But KK is so fragile she can't even dress herself properly according to them.

I don't blame AOT for wanting Martha to have a storyline, but the "Martha goes to work for Lionel" thing was just . . . ugh! :shudder:

I've never found either JG or Lionel attractive, and they never really sold me on why she acted like she'd decided that Satan was just a lonely man who needed a friend. Blech.
Lana's a pink princess not because she's so "innocent" but because she's fixated -- stuck in the moment when her parents died and unable to move on. Maybe.

I saw it as originally the blindness made her feel sorry for Lionel when she sees him struggling and reads to him. Then she accepts the job because she needed the money and she also wanted a challenge, hence Jonathon feeling threatened and getting pissy about isn't the farm challenging enough for you. Lionel made it very clear that he respected her abilities and she never got the chance to use her brain much on the farm. In SFX Al and Miles said Lionel appealed to her by admiring her abilites and "with Lionel everything is a seduction".

Lionel does have a powerful aura about him that I wouldn't be surpised she found attractive.

i'm only up the episode before rosetta - i know, i know. been trying to catch up with tv - but i remember watching insurgence and thinking that there was an attraction between lionel and martha. i think if she didn't find out about the kryptonite arsenal and his research into clark, the writers could have gone down another road and it would have been believable.

Did you see the look on her face in Insurgence when she saw the kryptonite Lional had stockpiled. Martha is a scary lady! I sure wouldn't want to get on her bad side.

teeheehee. so true. i think she would've thrown lionel into the safe along with the bars and "forgot" all about him. i like how slick she was with the octagonal disc, and then not telling her family about it. another part of the storyline that also disappeared ... kickass martha for a few episodes would've been Oh So Good.

The actress wasn't too thrilled when they throw away the sub plot with Lionel and went for the trite pregnacy storyline instead. Smallville really needs some decent female writers.

i was seriously disappointed about that. i don't remember what the episode is called but i remember how it opened with her burying the flour tin and me thinking, 'damn. this'll be interesting.' but then somehow it continued on to the spaceship having helped her have a baby and then blitzing the hospital ...

annette o'toole, that's her name, right? she's good. they should use her more. i think she helped 'nicodemus' be one of my fave episodes, when she was talking about jonathan by his hospital bed.

In SFX Al and Miles said Lionel appealed to her by admiring her abilites and "with Lionel everything is a seduction".

Well, I know who my Mary Sue's gonna be if I ever write one -- a young woman who really *is* an immovable object where Lionel's concerned.

And, no, it wouldn't end up as a Lionel/Mary Sue romance. Bite your tongue!

Chloe hasn't been seduced by Lionel yet. She was always pretty contemptuous around him. Well actually she was sort of pulled over to the dark side in late season 2. But she did resist him in the end. Same with Martha.

i'm not up to that yet even though i've read all the twop recaps. i love chloe. i think even if she stays evil forever etc. etc., i'd still like her. hell, maybe i'd like her even more. allison mack is a solid actress. she does the expositions so well, and can make the best out of those cheesy scenes. i'm thinking of rosetta ... when chloe was sitting on the bed with lana talking about her family tree.

She doesn't really go evil. I think they were planning on it right at the end of season 2 when she agrees to report on Clark to Lionel. But there was such an outcry, and as Chloe was a favourite of many, I think they decided to backtrack and right away made it clear in season 3 that she was still on Clark's side.

I wouldn't have minded an evil Chloe though. She could have teamed up with Lex and they could be wicked together.

I wouldn't have minded an evil Chloe though. She could have teamed up with Lex and they could be wicked together.

for some reason that sounds really good. i can see them in some deliciously evil scenes.

On TWoP people were saying it would be cool if Chloe became Mercy. I like that idea.

mercy as in lex luthor's mercy? i never thought of that. yeah that would be an interesting development. she definitely has that kickass attitude. i hope she'll be part of a main storyline in upcoming seasons.

Yep, Lex's bodyguard. There's a great series with Mercy. Have you read it?

no, i haven't. thanks for letting me know about it. :)

where can i find the series?

There's a link in the Non Clex thread. (The fic does have some clex in it, but it's mainly focused on Mercy).

http://p083.ezboard.com/fourworld28292frm69

thanks! *s*

It's sad that I find it comforting that KK is as miserable as the rest of us concerning Lana.

Martha/Lionel-so much lost potential. Ah, such is the Legacy of Smallville. Lots and lots of lost potential.

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