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LOVING Dean as a demon this week, when he comes over all chilling and badass I was close to having palpitations!!
I'm surprised they went so much with the fratboy Dean for the premiere, the drunk karaoke was fun and all, but this was the intensity that I'd been waiting to see from him being turned into a demon, and would have made for a much more dramatic opener. And aww, I even felt kind of bad for Crowley at the end, he seemed so crushed at things not working out the way that he had hoped with Dean and him
I'm confused at the casting for the actor whose father was killed by Dean though, shouldn't he be in his early 20's and not look older than Jensen Ackles?!?! That was an interesting casting choice after we saw the same character as a young boy in 2003. And yeah I was with Dean at saying that wasn't mercy, I was cringing at how Dean kept toying with him and humiliating him in their confrontation
I'm still not super into the angel storyline, heh mostly because I'm so impatient to get back to Sam and Dean, but it was better this week. Hannah did seem like a more interesting character in this episode, and the scene that Castiel had with the little girl was cute, but overall I'd much rather Cas was with Sam on the search for Dean, instead of off in his own side plot *shrugs*
Mostly I loved every minute of the Sam and Dean confrontation and Sam capturing his brother with holy water, those moments are kind of feeling like my favourite fan fics brought to life lol, and I cannot wait for the next episode :D :D
I'm still really enjoying The Flash, it has such a sense of lightness and fun about it compared to other superhero shows like Smallville with all of their angsting (And I've decided to drop Gotham, I really wanted to like it, but I just couldn't get into it).
The actor playing Barry is really good at making him likeable, and aww I find Barry's relationship with Joe very touching. And I'm enjoying the Scooby gang feeling of the set-up with Caitlin, Cisco, and Doctor Wells
Iris didn't make much of an impression on me in the first episode tbh, I had no idea that she was being set up as Barry's main love interest, just because it seemed so platonic between them what with her talking about seeing Barry as her little brother who she grew up with. I was assuming that they were setting it up for Barry to move past his crush on Iris and hit it off with Caitlin from the labs instead, but I've since found out that apparently Iris is who Barry will end up with in the comics. I still don't sense much sexual chemistry between them so far, but I'm prepared to be convinced! I did find her more interesting in the second episode when they seemed to be setting her up as a (less abrasive) Lois Lane type, it seemed a bit contrived that her Dad doesn't want Barry to share the truth about himself with her (how is that meant to keep her safe exactly?), so I'm hoping that she'll find out about his secret by herself at some point if she's going to start looking into The Flash
I'm intrigued by what Doctor Wells is up too, he's one of my favourite characters so far. I keep feeling like we're supposed to suspect that he's being set up as a villain, but it seems pretty ambiguous so far, most likely he's someone (from the future?) who is willing to be ruthless in order to protect The Flash?
And the "meteour freak of the week" is working fine so far, especially as the focus is more on the characters than on the villains, although I do hope they get into some longer arcs once the show is more established.
Quite honestly I found the Arrow cameo in the premiere to be just a bit too cheesy lol, but maybe that worked more for those that watch both shows *g* I will be checking out my first episode of Arrow soon though as I hear there will be crossovers coming up!
And some Veronica Mars news! :D
Exclusive: Whatever Happened to Duncan Kane? Veronica Mars Star Teddy Dunn Speaks Out
The real reason Duncan was so catatonic early in Season 1:Almost as soon as Veronica Mars premiered, it became clear that fans didn't like Duncan, who was originally slated to be Veronica's OTP. He came off as vacant, distant and just sort of... there. Duncan later became much more dynamic, but this isn't because Dunn's talent improved exponentially overnight. It's because Dunn was originally under the impression Duncan had a mental illness.
"I was told early on that Duncan was bipolar, so when I got the role I got some books, starting researching it and looking into it," Dunn says. Since psychosomatic drugs used to treat bipolar disorder often leave the user emotionally distant, Dunn made the conscious choice to play Duncan that way. However, once it became clear that viewers were having a hard time connecting to Duncan, "I was told to leave all that behind and go back to being the gregarious big man on campus," Dunn says. "I had a hard time reconciling the two and I think I struggled with the precedent we had set with the character in the first few episodes versus what they wanted to get out of the character later down the line
(It's funny he says that because at the time I did assume that's what he was aiming for after it was revealed that Duncan was on medication, that he was deliberately toning down his performance for that reason. I actually found Duncan a lot more intriguing in early season 1 when they were playing the mystery of what he knew about Lily's death, it was in early season 2 that I started to think that okay he's just a bad actor lol, because even when Duncan was dating Veronica again and should have been happier, he still came off as really subdued and blank idk. I never felt like his performance changed significantly, although apparently the actor feels that he did switch it around?
He also talks about the criticism from TWoP, the decision to write him him out, his decision to leave acting, and finally
"They would have to first want me to," Dunn says. "I'm not sure there's room for him anymore is what I'm trying to say. But like I said, I really like Rob and Kristen and everybody who I worked with on the show so I'm not going to say no I'm not open to it. But also, I'm a lawyer now. I'm not an actor anymore. It's not to say I never want to act again. I do. I'm just not sure I want to revisit that character, to be honest with you."
I'm surprised they went so much with the fratboy Dean for the premiere, the drunk karaoke was fun and all, but this was the intensity that I'd been waiting to see from him being turned into a demon, and would have made for a much more dramatic opener. And aww, I even felt kind of bad for Crowley at the end, he seemed so crushed at things not working out the way that he had hoped with Dean and him
I'm confused at the casting for the actor whose father was killed by Dean though, shouldn't he be in his early 20's and not look older than Jensen Ackles?!?! That was an interesting casting choice after we saw the same character as a young boy in 2003. And yeah I was with Dean at saying that wasn't mercy, I was cringing at how Dean kept toying with him and humiliating him in their confrontation
I'm still not super into the angel storyline, heh mostly because I'm so impatient to get back to Sam and Dean, but it was better this week. Hannah did seem like a more interesting character in this episode, and the scene that Castiel had with the little girl was cute, but overall I'd much rather Cas was with Sam on the search for Dean, instead of off in his own side plot *shrugs*
Mostly I loved every minute of the Sam and Dean confrontation and Sam capturing his brother with holy water, those moments are kind of feeling like my favourite fan fics brought to life lol, and I cannot wait for the next episode :D :D
I'm still really enjoying The Flash, it has such a sense of lightness and fun about it compared to other superhero shows like Smallville with all of their angsting (And I've decided to drop Gotham, I really wanted to like it, but I just couldn't get into it).
The actor playing Barry is really good at making him likeable, and aww I find Barry's relationship with Joe very touching. And I'm enjoying the Scooby gang feeling of the set-up with Caitlin, Cisco, and Doctor Wells
Iris didn't make much of an impression on me in the first episode tbh, I had no idea that she was being set up as Barry's main love interest, just because it seemed so platonic between them what with her talking about seeing Barry as her little brother who she grew up with. I was assuming that they were setting it up for Barry to move past his crush on Iris and hit it off with Caitlin from the labs instead, but I've since found out that apparently Iris is who Barry will end up with in the comics. I still don't sense much sexual chemistry between them so far, but I'm prepared to be convinced! I did find her more interesting in the second episode when they seemed to be setting her up as a (less abrasive) Lois Lane type, it seemed a bit contrived that her Dad doesn't want Barry to share the truth about himself with her (how is that meant to keep her safe exactly?), so I'm hoping that she'll find out about his secret by herself at some point if she's going to start looking into The Flash
I'm intrigued by what Doctor Wells is up too, he's one of my favourite characters so far. I keep feeling like we're supposed to suspect that he's being set up as a villain, but it seems pretty ambiguous so far, most likely he's someone (from the future?) who is willing to be ruthless in order to protect The Flash?
And the "meteour freak of the week" is working fine so far, especially as the focus is more on the characters than on the villains, although I do hope they get into some longer arcs once the show is more established.
Quite honestly I found the Arrow cameo in the premiere to be just a bit too cheesy lol, but maybe that worked more for those that watch both shows *g* I will be checking out my first episode of Arrow soon though as I hear there will be crossovers coming up!
And some Veronica Mars news! :D
Exclusive: Whatever Happened to Duncan Kane? Veronica Mars Star Teddy Dunn Speaks Out
The real reason Duncan was so catatonic early in Season 1:Almost as soon as Veronica Mars premiered, it became clear that fans didn't like Duncan, who was originally slated to be Veronica's OTP. He came off as vacant, distant and just sort of... there. Duncan later became much more dynamic, but this isn't because Dunn's talent improved exponentially overnight. It's because Dunn was originally under the impression Duncan had a mental illness.
"I was told early on that Duncan was bipolar, so when I got the role I got some books, starting researching it and looking into it," Dunn says. Since psychosomatic drugs used to treat bipolar disorder often leave the user emotionally distant, Dunn made the conscious choice to play Duncan that way. However, once it became clear that viewers were having a hard time connecting to Duncan, "I was told to leave all that behind and go back to being the gregarious big man on campus," Dunn says. "I had a hard time reconciling the two and I think I struggled with the precedent we had set with the character in the first few episodes versus what they wanted to get out of the character later down the line
(It's funny he says that because at the time I did assume that's what he was aiming for after it was revealed that Duncan was on medication, that he was deliberately toning down his performance for that reason. I actually found Duncan a lot more intriguing in early season 1 when they were playing the mystery of what he knew about Lily's death, it was in early season 2 that I started to think that okay he's just a bad actor lol, because even when Duncan was dating Veronica again and should have been happier, he still came off as really subdued and blank idk. I never felt like his performance changed significantly, although apparently the actor feels that he did switch it around?
He also talks about the criticism from TWoP, the decision to write him him out, his decision to leave acting, and finally
"They would have to first want me to," Dunn says. "I'm not sure there's room for him anymore is what I'm trying to say. But like I said, I really like Rob and Kristen and everybody who I worked with on the show so I'm not going to say no I'm not open to it. But also, I'm a lawyer now. I'm not an actor anymore. It's not to say I never want to act again. I do. I'm just not sure I want to revisit that character, to be honest with you."
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Date: 2014-10-17 03:16 pm (UTC)Yeah the Angel storyline is boring. GO HELP DEAN CAS YOU SILLY HEAD!
I love Barry. I love how optimistic he is despite everything that is going on with his life. Which is why we don't get a break the cutie incident. Its a fresh change for dark characters like Oliver Queen.
I do like Barry's relationship with Iris and hope they wind up together. To me if they have a good friendship they can be lovers too!
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Date: 2014-10-17 03:35 pm (UTC)I'm loving Barry too, it's refreshing to have a lead that feels optimistic and just a genuinely good person that wants to help people. And I'm not opposed to Barry and Iris, I guess that Iris talking about seeing him as her brother and seeming so unaware of his crush is just kind of killing any potential UST for me at the moment, but I'm prepared to wait and see how things develop as so far I do find both characters very charming. Heh I loved the scene where Barry imagines telling Iris the truth about himself!
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Date: 2014-10-18 12:05 am (UTC)I think he actually told her? He just did it so fast she didn't even notice he'd moved, let alone heard what he said. His way of telling her without actually telling her, I guess, just to get it off his chest.
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Date: 2014-10-17 05:14 pm (UTC)I'm liking The Flash as well and as my own reaction will say I really like the relationship between Joe and Barry. And scooby-gang-feeling is spot on!
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Date: 2014-10-17 06:00 pm (UTC)I feel the same about Joey and Barry, you could tell that Joe was really hurt by the 'you're not my father' crack and has come to think of Barry as a son, so the pizza eating reconciliation was really sweet.
And yeah I love the whole Scooby gang feel of them, it's refreshing to have a show with a secret identity where nearly all of the regular characters know who Barry is already, I just hope they don't drag Iris finding out about him for too long! Half a season or so okay, but I'm going to need for her to find out at some point...
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Date: 2014-10-17 06:39 pm (UTC)I liked Duncan Kane, which is apparently an unpopular opinion in the VMars fandom. I did like his character in the first season better than the second season, but then again S2 was kind of horrible to all the characters anyway, imho. It's sad that he didn't return, though I can understand why he didn't based off what he said and what they wanted him to do with that character. I personally was interested in how everything had affect4ed him with his mental illness and the medication and I wanted to know more about that, how it affected him in the long run even after the events of S1, but I guess they just didn't have a solid plan for his character (and idk if it's because they weren't clear from the start or because of fan reactions) and that really sucks.
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Date: 2014-10-17 06:56 pm (UTC)And yeah I thought that his character was more interesting in the beginning when they were exploring what his relationship with Lily was like, and him being on medication, as I said I think that his flat performance worked for that and I always assumed that it was a deliberate choice. It was really season 2 where I felt like he just wasn't bringing any charisma to the part at all, even though Duncan was dating Veronica at that point, his sisters murder had been solved, and his life was more settled. He talks about being advised to change how he was portraying Duncan, but yeah I still got that kind of flat feeling from him quite honestly, so I don't know if that was all he was capable of playing, or if he was just confused based on the original character write-up and didn't know how else to play him after that? There was a deleted scene from one of the early season 2 episodes of Duncan serenading Veronica, and that's perhaps a good example of the writers considering pursuing that angle with popular and happy go lucky Duncan, but the acting really didn't carry that scene off at all. It sounds like he was confused because he had already established a different kind of character prior to that
They could have done a lot more with him being bipolar, but it does sound like audience reaction caused them to drop all that, and instead decide on attempting to present Duncan as generic big man on campus. He did have a good ending at least with taking out Aaron, and I wouldn't be averse to seeing how life has worked out for Duncan since, but it doesn't sound like anyone is that fussed on making it happen?
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Date: 2014-10-17 08:25 pm (UTC)It sounds like he was confused because he had already established a different kind of character prior to that
I think at that point he just wasn't into the character they wanted him to be, and it kind of speaks volumes in a way because what seems like flat acting might've just been his way of either being confused or just opting out of their version of his character. It's just really wasted potential of exploring more with what they had already established previously, but they just wanted some new ~drama (hence the whole baby/kidnapping storyline, which to this day I still cannot understand that mess).
At least we did have a kind of ending for his character, and I think that was more closure for the actor than it was for anyone else. And from the sounds of things, he was ready to move on from that role, and has since moved on from acting in general.
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Date: 2014-10-17 08:42 pm (UTC)Still when I was first watching I could have gone either way, I did like the early flashbacks to Duncan and Veronica, I thought they were kind of adorable in the fourth episode. (Well and I also could have shipped Veronica with Weevil actually!)
And yes, it sounds like he's still fine with the people involved, but that it wasn't a very positive experience for him overall :( It's too bad when Duncan is a much more interesting character to me than the college-era characters like Piz and Parker ever were, yet Piz was the only unpopular character that Rob seemed determined to bring back for the movie. (Not that Duncan would have fit with the movie, but if they ever do continue the VM-verse, it would be nice to pick up Duncan's story at some point, especially as Celeste Kane was already in the movie and there's a lot more story potential with the Kane family in general)
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Date: 2014-10-17 08:58 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2014-10-17 09:57 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2014-10-17 08:06 pm (UTC)I'm not the biggest Iris Fan yet, but I have no problem with her either. I just find her kind of boring, but I'm open to everything that's going to happen, and I definitely like her a lot more than I liked Laurel (of Arrow) in the beginning :) I just think she reminds me so much of "Lacey" of "Twisted" and I hated that girl... :P
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Date: 2014-10-17 08:26 pm (UTC)And I definitely need to catch up with Arrow at some point *g* What were Barry's appearances like in thet show?
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Date: 2014-10-17 08:33 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2014-10-17 08:28 pm (UTC)I do think some people in fandom were TERRIBLE to Teddy and it was just...ugh. And he's totally right that Logan is forgiven all, and Duncan forgiven nothing. I felt so sorry for Duncan -- especially after the maybe-incest reveal. It made him so much more interesting!
And man, if JD had been playing Duncan? I would have shipping him with Veronica like whoa.
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Date: 2014-10-17 08:53 pm (UTC)Heh I thought the same thing! And it's messed-up if he did get a lot of blame for that from fandom when Logan was the one that roofied him, he was just as unable to consent as Veronica! It must have been very frustrating to witness Logan being forgiven for bum fights, smashing Veronica's headlights, doing shots off her body etc, yet Duncan got no such understanding.
There's little question that Jason was the better and more charismatic actor but, to be fair, Duncan was also a tougher part to play than Logan because it is a part that requires a really talented actor who is able to bring the sense of more going on underneath the surface. From the sounds of how it was first described to him, it sounds like he didn't really envision it being a part where he could being any charisma or snappy one-liners into it, and that's obviously what audiences tend to respond too more. It also sounds like Rob Thomas really didn't put a lot of thought into Duncan being a tough sell and what kind of actor might be best to portray him, to switch things around so quickly and suggest that he liven up his portrayal suggests that they were thinking of Duncan in terms of being the main love interest before anything else, and that they wanted Teddy for the part because he seemed like the more obvious leading man material?
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Date: 2014-10-17 09:08 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2014-10-17 09:58 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2014-10-18 12:22 am (UTC)Me too! Especially since didn't Jason Dohring originally audition for Duncan? And they cast him as Logan (which at the time was a much smaller role) instead? It boggles the mind.
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Date: 2014-10-18 12:52 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2014-10-18 12:32 am (UTC)I read a theory somewhere that Dr. Wells is actually Barry himself from the future, but it's possible that is based entirely on the actors looking quite a bit alike, lol.
Poor Teddy Dunn. He was... not a great actor, but he didn't deserve all the hate. I wish we'd gotten more flashbacks of him and Lilly together, because that's what was most interesting about him. (Also, I loved that she called him Donut.)
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Date: 2014-10-18 08:30 am (UTC)Yeah I am finding it odd that they are choosing to emphasise how much Iris has friend zoned Barry and sees him as her brother, it's hard for me to get much UST from that kind of platonic relationship, even if there is a one-sided crush from Barry.
And that's an interesting theory, I definitely get the feeling that they want to hint at Wells being a bit shady/possible bad guy, and then hopefully reveal that he was on Barry's side all along. A villain could be a cool twist too, but I would definitely prefer the reveal that he does have good intentions and is just a bit morally shady in going about them
And yes! I loved the flashbacks in episode 4 to the family dynamic with Lily and Duncan and how differently their mother treated them, I wish that we'd got a lot more of that
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Date: 2014-10-18 02:03 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2014-10-18 11:47 pm (UTC)And yeah, I'm not feeling any kind of sexual spark between them at the moment, I'm going to need more than just one character crushing on the other for me to start rooting for them
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Date: 2014-10-19 06:30 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2014-10-19 08:18 pm (UTC)I could always change my mind if Iris is shown shifting her feelings, but at the momen I'm just not seeing it when the only attraction is coming from Barry