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I've started watching Alias. Seen up to the two-parter. Jack and Sydney are my favourite characters so far. The bland and ummemorable love interest is my least favourite. I'm not really shipping Sydney/Will either, but damn at least he has a personality, and his voice doesn't send me to sleep. The Vaguan (sp?) actor can't really act can he?

Oh I like the head of SD-6. When he was laughing about "the box", that was cool.
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Date: 2005-11-13 10:57 pm (UTC)
fahrbotdrusilla: (Jossverse Math Fred+Dru=River)
From: [personal profile] fahrbotdrusilla
yeah, I really don't like Vaughn much either. I was kinda shipping Will and Syd the first season... but don't ship anyone with her now.

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Date: 2005-11-13 11:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
The scene where she was crying with Will was cute. But yeah it's not really a couple I could get passionate about.

The relationship with her dad is what I'm more invested in at the moment

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Date: 2005-11-14 04:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pepperjackcandy.livejournal.com
Yep. It's all about the Bristows. 8-)

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Date: 2005-11-13 11:09 pm (UTC)
ext_1468: (p_bling daleks)
From: [identity profile] grapefruitzzz.livejournal.com
Nice icon!

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Date: 2005-11-13 11:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
Thanks, I've just been snagging from crackers4jenn :)

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Date: 2005-11-13 11:33 pm (UTC)
ext_2583: "Lady Agnew" by John Singer Sargent (SydVaughn kiss)
From: [identity profile] mskatej.livejournal.com
I really like Sydney and Vaughn in the same way I liked Buffy and Angel. It's about *romance* with them, in the best possible way (I'm SUCH a sap though). I think they get better and better and I hope you'll end up liking it. I just love Alias for the complexities in all the relationships, and the uniqueness of them all, and I don't think it puts a foot wrong with any of them. The cast has exactly the right chemistry with each other, no matter what the relationship, and SydVaughn totally work as far as I'm concerned (but then, I don't watch it from a "shipper" or a fanfic writer's POV).

And YES, Jack is a fantastic character ( my favourite) and it's his realtionship with Sydney that's the most interesting and important part of Alias. The show is about family (and how fucked up family is) more than it's about spies and mysteries.

I love Alias so much. I pimp it out to all my friends and I've already gotten several hooked! (I don't do this with SV, FYI.)

PS. Perverted is my favourite word to describe me ever!

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Date: 2005-11-13 11:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
At first I was thinking it was obvious they were the couple to root for, but I wasn't being give a reason to care. There was no witty banter, or sparks flying. It was just the impression that he had a thing for Sydney. Yeah, and?


I need more than the guy mayb having a crush, to care about them, y'know? I did like the scene where he holds her hand when she's crying by the sea. But er that's the only moment I've liked those two together so far lol. I'll see how it goes :D

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Date: 2005-11-13 11:45 pm (UTC)
ext_2583: "Lady Agnew" by John Singer Sargent (Default)
From: [identity profile] mskatej.livejournal.com
Oh, I don't disagree, but I guess I don't think falling in love is about being friends with someone. It's about attraction that can't be quelled. It's about wanting someone beyond reason. It's about nothing that makes rational sense. And the way the actors play it, *and* the cemistry they have with each other, I totally believe that they're in love with each other.

On the other hand, Sydney and Will also have wonderful chemistry, but in a different way. When I watch Alias, I see Sydney's desire for Vaughn as something she can't control (and thats not a spoiler, btw, I saw if from the get go), even though she has the option to be with her wonderful friend who loves her more than anything. I dunno. That speaks to me because it's so real. We don't always want the one who we get on with the best. We want the one who keeps us awake at night.

Keep watching and keep me informed!

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Date: 2005-11-13 11:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
See, I agree with what you just typed, but to me that's not Sydney/Vaughn :p I don't really care about Sydney/Will either, I just think the actor's better there, so it's easier for me to feel something.

From the first, Sydney/Vaughn just seemed so obvious. And this is my cynical side coming out, but to me it didn't feel like a lot of thought was put into making them an intriguing couple to root for. More that let's make Sydney's handler a nice guy who has a thing for her. They could almost replace Vaughn with any other cute actor IMO, because the ship itself isn't distinctive enough to get me involved. A bit of romantic comedy type dialogue or something would help the ship appeal to me, instead of just feeling they're the couple because he likes Sydney and that's about it.

I guess it depends on whether you see the actors chemistry carrying over and selling the ship. And I'm not seeing it at the moment. I'll give my opinion again when I reach the end of the season :)

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Date: 2005-11-14 12:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swsa.livejournal.com
Buck up. This is the most interesting Syd and Vaughn will ever be. Seriously. Even most people who like the pairing pine for S1-2 and admit that they were tiresome by mid-S3. Will, on the other hand, gets better and better. The character was actually really unpopular for the first half of S1, then they started writing better for him after all the complaints. I was annoyed by him at the start of the season and adored him by the end.

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Date: 2005-11-14 12:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
Will was hated? I kind of like him. When he was yelling, "who the hell are you" at Kate Jones, or when he first mentions SD-6.

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Date: 2005-11-14 01:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swsa.livejournal.com
Yeah, J.J.'s admitted now that they made a mistake with early-Will, because they assumed people would be rooting for him to find Danny's killer, when in reality, since the audience was so far ahead of him, they thought he was dumb and kind of insensitive for not realizing how hard he was making things for Syd. Around mid-season, they manage to find the balance and not make him so arrogantly nosy.

Oh, but you should keep watching now, cause you're about to hit Sark's first ep!

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Date: 2005-11-14 01:22 am (UTC)
ext_3952: (Alias)
From: [identity profile] duskwillow.livejournal.com
*points*
Oh yes! What she said. About Sark. :)

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Date: 2005-11-14 02:58 am (UTC)
fahrbotdrusilla: (Gaius/Six Mini Promo Photo)
From: [personal profile] fahrbotdrusilla
SARK! LOL

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Date: 2005-11-14 01:20 am (UTC)
ext_3952: (Alias)
From: [identity profile] duskwillow.livejournal.com
LMAO
Yet another person not impressed with Vaughn. Hee!
I love Jack, Syd and Marshall the best! :) Sloan (head of SD-6) is magnificent evil bastard. He and Lionel could write a book together.
There are also few more characters I love but I'm not gonna mention them, because I don't know how spoiled you are.

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Date: 2005-11-14 02:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sum1-different.livejournal.com
Vartan's performance as Vaughan, however limited (very), is better than Garner's as Syd. Syd is supposed to be this experienced highly capable field agent but Garner has her constantly looking like she's going to piss on herself out of fear. If somebody in the field is like that, they're not going to operate well and they won't last long. A good field agent is going to be made of sterner stuff and no matter what fears they have they'll have the self-discipline enough to hold them down.

Think of Peta Wilson's performance as Nikita (Alias is a ripoff of LFN after all). Peta gives Nikita plenty human vulnerabilty and fears but Nikita is a clear-headed competent operative who's in control of herself. Peta does very well portraying that. Garner makes Syd come across like she's some pampered supermodel who's gotten caught up in some espionage thing she totally doesn't belong in, a character who undoubtably wouldn't last long at all. The sort of work Syd and Nikita are in isn't for the faint hearted and Garner makes Syd come across way too much the faint hearted. Like she might pass out from fear any moment. Watch the eyes. THAT'S a tough field agent? Riiiiight.

Also, Garner's acting is stiff, unresonant and closed off, not open, and she isn't very good at giving Syd SINCERE humanity and human vulnerabilty (yeah, she looks scared out of her wits way to much of the time, but genuine deeper vulnerabilty we don't get). Peta did much better there too, making Nikita come across like a real organic human being. Syd comes across like mannequin. And Garner seems to go for forced hamming instead of real feeling and it's patently fake.

And when Peta fought she looked like she was fighting, taking care of business, one two three, efficent uncompromising operative. When Garner fights it looks like she thinks it's all about making a point or something. Go into serious stuff with that attitude and you'll get yourself killed. In so many ways, Garner's Syd doesn't look like she'd survive long. And she doesn't come across like a real organic human being either.

Garner's perfrormance bothers the heck out of me. And I find it impossible to feel for a character who's given that little real depth of humanity. Plus the way she's so unconvicing as a tough operative, the way the show has this female hyper-tough super-spy come across like such a scared wuss... it feels to me like the show doesn't really believe that women really can be genuinely tough capable types who can control their fears. And I've seen way too much of that sexist attitude on the screen and it really pisses me off.

In closing, compare Garner's Syd to Peta's Nikita, SMG's Buffy and Claudia Black's Aeryn Sun. All of those three are so much more convincing both as tough and capable AND as human beings (or Sebacian beings ;) ), real people. Not to mention that those three put in performances that feel genuine, Garner doesn't.

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Date: 2005-11-14 11:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
I was thinking of Le Femme Nikita, but I didn't wanto to be one of the fans that always compares and says their other show is better. Lol.

But yeah I agree with what you just said ;) Well except I do like Sydney, but she does cry a lot and Nikita was way tougher and cooler. Nikita wouldn't have just her bf she was a secret agent, then cried and yelled at her superiors for doing what they said they would do. She would have had cool plans hatched with Walter and Birkoff.

How much of Nikita did you watch, right to the end? I love the first three seasons, saw some of season 4, and none of the final season.

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Date: 2005-11-14 01:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sum1-different.livejournal.com
I've watched a lot but I haven't seen it all.

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Date: 2005-11-14 02:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sum1-different.livejournal.com
Syd/Vaughan is a cheap ripoff of Nikita/Michael. The show is a ripoff of LFN, Syd is a lameass wannabe Nikita and Vaughan is a washed out imitation Michael. Vaughan, like Michael, is the superior she reports to, works with and gets romantically invloved with. And the actor (Vartan) even has a face vaguely like Michael's. Heck, he's even French background like Roy Dupuis is French Canadian. It's like the Alias show set out to imitate in every way.

You can also see that Sloane and Jack are basically LFN's Operations split up into good and evil. Except, unlike Syd and Vaughan, Sloane and Jack are really well acted.

Syd's mother Irina, who pops up later, can even be compared to Madeline.

Will Tippin is well acted by an actor who brings much humanity to the part. Marcus Dixon and Eric Weiss are also well acted. Marshall's also good.

Sark is a prissy twat and I wish he'd been squashed like the bug he is the moment he first appeared. Alas he isn't and he's got a huge and inexplicable fan following.

The show is flashier and smoother than LFN but it has less depth and sincerity.

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Date: 2005-11-14 02:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sum1-different.livejournal.com
For clarification: Sloane = head of SD6.

Vaughan is a washed out imitation Michael.

Date: 2005-11-14 02:59 am (UTC)
fahrbotdrusilla: (Jossverse Math Fred+Dru=River)
From: [personal profile] fahrbotdrusilla
Vaughn's first name is actully Micheal.
Which makes it all the more clear that he's an imitation of the REAL Michael.

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Date: 2005-11-14 11:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
I was thinking of Michael when I was trying to explain why I'm not into Syndey/Vaughan! I can just tell it will be some stupid on/off thing for years. It's obvious they both like each other, they're both nice people and Sydney will be emotionally available soon. What's the big deal? It will just be some ridiculous thing to draw out the sexual tension and avoid the Moonlighting factor.

And yeah I did think Weiss is cooler than Vaughan. At least Weiss doesn't have the personality of soggy cardboard.

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Date: 2005-11-14 01:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sum1-different.livejournal.com
Weiss played the pilot in Lost, the guy who gets kinda eaten by the monster.

As for Syd/Vaughan, it continues to be an ongoing mess for years. lol

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Date: 2005-11-14 01:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
So how much of Alias have you watched? I'm planning to catch up on some more episodes tonight :) I do like the show, but LFN is def better

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Date: 2005-11-14 03:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sum1-different.livejournal.com
My Alias watching is parts of multiple seasons. Plus I used to hear a lot about it from a friend.

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Date: 2005-11-14 02:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bleach226.livejournal.com
I *love* Vaughn and *love* *love* *love* Alias!!! I'm glad that you're watching, because it's amazing. It saddens me that I'm away from the states and missing season 5 right now. :(