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Nirvana1 got an e-mail from someone letting her know what's going on at the havenites SHU.
Jerusalem: It is SPIKE I hate, and not James.
But then, see, I'm sane.
I'm not a crazy fucking psycho.
*I* don't make obscene action figures.
*I* don't drool over outtakes which I'm sure were very hard and embarrassing for the actors that were in them.
*I* don't paint pictures of ducks on walls and then knock them down.
*I* am not a fan of rape.
*I* do not go out, get locks of hair from an actor, and PIN THEM TO MY PHSYCICAL BODY.
And *I* am not some sort of cult leader or prophet who controls the minds of my followers with, I admit, well worded but exceedingly idiotic posts.
I enjoy the shows for what they are, fiction.
When YOU people talk about the Buffyverse, you bash the actors.
You sit there and say shit like, "SMG and JM should have gotten together, because that would be sooooo hawt! *squeeeee*"
You sit there and think that the entire universe is real and revolves around Spike.
Even when all evidence, ALL evidence points to the contrary (SMG's comments, JM's comments, Espoison's comments, Shithead's comments) you refuse to see it.
It's the Spuffy logic.
A. It's canon as long as it's what you want to hear.
B. If it goes against your beloved Spikeywikey, it doesn't exist.
C. If someone says something other than what you want to believe, that person sux0rs and must be flamed and emailed and called nasty names because they obviously don't know about the flamey hands of luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurve.
See, the problem I think that we have when we try to deal with people like you is this. We use logic, facts, and common sense.
Three things that you people completely lack.
You hold onto Joss' Chosen commentary like a leotard clings to a fat woman
You people go out and flame a book, that many of you have never even read because of the fact that your precious Spikey isn't at the forefront of every page. You flame it because it's completely within canon of the shows, just not in your own personal canon where you and Spike have sex 18 times a day and rape is kewl.
And all this shit with the Watcher's Guide 3. I want you people to realize something.
The Watcher's Guide is the OFFICIAL guidebook to the Buffyverse.
It was approved by Mutant Enemy.
It was approved by Fox.
It was approved by Joss.
I mean come on. You name your board "Cold Dead Seed". How the fuck can you expect ANYONE to take you seriously?
You're the lunatic fringe. You really are. Every group, from tv fans to politicions to religions has it's extremists who do their best to make the group as a whole look bad.
That'd be you.
Buffy. Is. In. Love. With. Angel. Period end of sentence.
The simple fact is, that in CANON (ie, the official view of the show), Buffy is in love with Angel. That's the end of it.
You can point to TGIQ. You can sit there and say "But Andrew said....", but come on. You're going to take the word of Andrew? ANDREW?
You know what Andrew's purpose is on the show?
He's a Mary Sue. He's the Spiker. He's the physical embodiement of you out there. He's the guy who drools over Spike. He's the guy who does whatever he can to make sure that in the end, Spike's the one who comes out on top. Andrew is YOU. Andrew is you and the Wet Panty Brigade writers given character form.
When it comes right down to it, I don't hate you because you're Spuffers. I don't hate you because you like Spike. I don't hate you because of an ideological difference.
I hate you because you are a group of mentally unstable, vicious, vile, hate-filled, insane extremeists. I hate you because you are hypocrites. I hate you because when I listen to you speak, I literally become afraid for the people around you. When I think of the things that you people have done, I literally fear for your families. I fear for your friends. I am afraid of how any impressionable minds around you will turn out.
Violence begets violence. Insanity breeds insanity. And the simple fact is, you have those two in spades. I could draw comparisons here between this fandom and religious extremeists. Is it an extreme comparison? Yes. But it is valid. And that is why I am afraid for those around you.
You spew your hate, you spew your insults, you spew your rhetoric, you spew your vile. You spew it at actors portraying a role. You spew it at people who have opposing viewpoints. You are nothing more than hate-filled bigots.
Me? I'm a fucking attack dog.
You want to attack them? You want to attack the actors?
You're not even on their level.
They are so far above you that it's not even funny.
But me? I relish it down here in the muck. And the grime. And the filth.
If you come at us, I will own you right in your fucking faces.
Your time is over. Your fifteen minutes are up. You can either go quietly, or you can go with those in charge finding out just how deluded and sick you are.
But if you come at us, if you come at the actors, if you come at the book writers again, I simply have four more words for you:
Arf. Fucking. Arf.
Bitch.
Blade/Daywalker: As usual... you da man. Could not have said it any better myself. The only thing I would have added is about the Sparklies. They're a pretty way out there bunch. For every sane one there are 50 whack jobs over there. They hate me so much I got BANNED from there.*
Obviously they didn't want me keeping an eye on their insane ravings. (But that's ok.. I hear things... some of their friends are not really as friendly as they think )*2 What's scary... they really believe their own bullshit.
ETA I am not a member of the havenite, Nirvana1 was the one that passed the e-mail along and I thought it was too unhinged not to share.
Jerusalem: It is SPIKE I hate, and not James.
But then, see, I'm sane.
I'm not a crazy fucking psycho.
*I* don't make obscene action figures.
*I* don't drool over outtakes which I'm sure were very hard and embarrassing for the actors that were in them.
*I* don't paint pictures of ducks on walls and then knock them down.
*I* am not a fan of rape.
*I* do not go out, get locks of hair from an actor, and PIN THEM TO MY PHSYCICAL BODY.
And *I* am not some sort of cult leader or prophet who controls the minds of my followers with, I admit, well worded but exceedingly idiotic posts.
I enjoy the shows for what they are, fiction.
When YOU people talk about the Buffyverse, you bash the actors.
You sit there and say shit like, "SMG and JM should have gotten together, because that would be sooooo hawt! *squeeeee*"
You sit there and think that the entire universe is real and revolves around Spike.
Even when all evidence, ALL evidence points to the contrary (SMG's comments, JM's comments, Espoison's comments, Shithead's comments) you refuse to see it.
It's the Spuffy logic.
A. It's canon as long as it's what you want to hear.
B. If it goes against your beloved Spikeywikey, it doesn't exist.
C. If someone says something other than what you want to believe, that person sux0rs and must be flamed and emailed and called nasty names because they obviously don't know about the flamey hands of luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurve.
See, the problem I think that we have when we try to deal with people like you is this. We use logic, facts, and common sense.
Three things that you people completely lack.
You hold onto Joss' Chosen commentary like a leotard clings to a fat woman
You people go out and flame a book, that many of you have never even read because of the fact that your precious Spikey isn't at the forefront of every page. You flame it because it's completely within canon of the shows, just not in your own personal canon where you and Spike have sex 18 times a day and rape is kewl.
And all this shit with the Watcher's Guide 3. I want you people to realize something.
The Watcher's Guide is the OFFICIAL guidebook to the Buffyverse.
It was approved by Mutant Enemy.
It was approved by Fox.
It was approved by Joss.
I mean come on. You name your board "Cold Dead Seed". How the fuck can you expect ANYONE to take you seriously?
You're the lunatic fringe. You really are. Every group, from tv fans to politicions to religions has it's extremists who do their best to make the group as a whole look bad.
That'd be you.
Buffy. Is. In. Love. With. Angel. Period end of sentence.
The simple fact is, that in CANON (ie, the official view of the show), Buffy is in love with Angel. That's the end of it.
You can point to TGIQ. You can sit there and say "But Andrew said....", but come on. You're going to take the word of Andrew? ANDREW?
You know what Andrew's purpose is on the show?
He's a Mary Sue. He's the Spiker. He's the physical embodiement of you out there. He's the guy who drools over Spike. He's the guy who does whatever he can to make sure that in the end, Spike's the one who comes out on top. Andrew is YOU. Andrew is you and the Wet Panty Brigade writers given character form.
When it comes right down to it, I don't hate you because you're Spuffers. I don't hate you because you like Spike. I don't hate you because of an ideological difference.
I hate you because you are a group of mentally unstable, vicious, vile, hate-filled, insane extremeists. I hate you because you are hypocrites. I hate you because when I listen to you speak, I literally become afraid for the people around you. When I think of the things that you people have done, I literally fear for your families. I fear for your friends. I am afraid of how any impressionable minds around you will turn out.
Violence begets violence. Insanity breeds insanity. And the simple fact is, you have those two in spades. I could draw comparisons here between this fandom and religious extremeists. Is it an extreme comparison? Yes. But it is valid. And that is why I am afraid for those around you.
You spew your hate, you spew your insults, you spew your rhetoric, you spew your vile. You spew it at actors portraying a role. You spew it at people who have opposing viewpoints. You are nothing more than hate-filled bigots.
Me? I'm a fucking attack dog.
You want to attack them? You want to attack the actors?
You're not even on their level.
They are so far above you that it's not even funny.
But me? I relish it down here in the muck. And the grime. And the filth.
If you come at us, I will own you right in your fucking faces.
Your time is over. Your fifteen minutes are up. You can either go quietly, or you can go with those in charge finding out just how deluded and sick you are.
But if you come at us, if you come at the actors, if you come at the book writers again, I simply have four more words for you:
Arf. Fucking. Arf.
Bitch.
Blade/Daywalker: As usual... you da man. Could not have said it any better myself. The only thing I would have added is about the Sparklies. They're a pretty way out there bunch. For every sane one there are 50 whack jobs over there. They hate me so much I got BANNED from there.*
Obviously they didn't want me keeping an eye on their insane ravings. (But that's ok.. I hear things... some of their friends are not really as friendly as they think )*2 What's scary... they really believe their own bullshit.
ETA I am not a member of the havenite, Nirvana1 was the one that passed the e-mail along and I thought it was too unhinged not to share.
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Date: 2004-08-12 11:19 pm (UTC)Both sides are creepy. Shipping wars in general are creepy.
The whole Buffy/Angel "Spike is an evil rapist!" thing is why I don't post on Buffy boards anymore.
Strongly proclaiming that a fictional characters *lurves* someone is creepy.
Fictional characters don't have minds.
Spike and Buffy could have become ice cream cones if the writers had willed it so.
(no subject)
Date: 2004-08-12 11:22 pm (UTC)Christ, she she should heed her own advice: it is just a show. So why the venon, sweetcheeks?
Granted, some of the Spike/Buffy fans drive me just as insane for the same reason some of the more rabid ducks do--they beat a dead horse to death.
But dude, at the end of the day it is just a show. And if htey want to insult sparklies, go for it. so don't care. Hello, are we still in middle school?
(no subject)
Date: 2004-08-12 11:23 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-08-12 11:24 pm (UTC)I want to know which Spike fans are knocking down pictures of ducks, and pinning James's hair to them. LMAO. Where does he get those things?
And Cold Dead Seed isn't even a Spuffy board, it's a board focused on Spike/Angel so I don't know why he was ranting about Spuffy fans on that site???
(no subject)
Date: 2004-08-12 11:27 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-08-12 11:28 pm (UTC)And who is up for a little passive aggressive statements of the GD thread.
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Date: 2004-08-12 11:29 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-08-12 11:29 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-08-12 11:30 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-08-12 11:32 pm (UTC)As he hated Spike I did wonder why he posted at a board for Spike fans so maybe he just tired of posting there.
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Date: 2004-08-12 11:33 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-08-12 11:39 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-08-12 11:40 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-08-12 11:40 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-08-12 11:46 pm (UTC)If i had just *deleted* him, he could have come back.
As it is, his IP is banned, and his username exists, but cannot DO anything. If you look at his userprofile ( http://www.sparklies.org/forums/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=241 ) you'll see it says "Banned User"
(no subject)
Date: 2004-08-12 11:54 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-08-12 11:57 pm (UTC)I personally like 'arf fucking arf....bitch'. Not quite as eloquent as 'out for a walk, bitch', but it'll do for a loon.
And also calling Spuffies 'hate filled bigots', but then admitting he hates Spuffies. What a weirdo.
Little Confession...
Date: 2004-08-13 01:31 am (UTC)Everything they said is genuine and comes from a thread called "I Hate It Here!: part 4". I was so pissed/amused they would actually come over and talk to my friends and me like that and then spew what they did that I had to report it before I shut down my account entirely.
While I'm glad to show they aren't fooling anyone and giving people a chance to stick up for themselves, I felt bad for not being truthful to you all. Hope you don't hate me.
Re: Little Confession...
Date: 2004-08-13 01:48 am (UTC)What gets me is the whinges about Sparklies. Known Spike haters, who elsewhere had started threads about the funniest way to kill Spike, were welcomed to post on Sparklies. Like 2 or 3 Spuffys complained, everyone else was perfectly cival. And then they talk about how we are whack jobs, obviously they were banned so they couldn't keep an eye on our insane rantings. They must be forgetting they were banned for reporting the board Sparklies by name, because of one joke someone made that they decided meant a vendetta was happening.
(no subject)
Date: 2004-08-13 01:55 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-08-13 02:25 am (UTC)Anyway... is he aware that when "The Watchers Guide" came out, Angel was still on the show and Spike was only a recurring character? How does that count for more than Joss's own comments at the very end of the show?
Not that I was a Spuffy fan, actually; I just think it's better than Bangel, which I thought was thouroughly revolting. I actually stopped watching the show for a year because I couldn't handle any more Bangle. Then I had to start again because all RL my friends discovered it and I was left out of conversation. :D
(no subject)
Date: 2004-08-13 02:31 am (UTC)Does that make me less sane & more dangerous than you?
Aquarius
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Date: 2004-08-13 02:37 am (UTC)I want to laugh, but I'm skeered. o_0
(no subject)
Date: 2004-08-13 02:45 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-08-13 02:47 am (UTC)