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I haven't seen this brought up anywhere else so maybe it's just me, but I wonder why the issues that Anna caused Jeremy/Bonnie were solely about Bonnie feeling threatened and wanting Jeremy to stop talking to his dead girlfriend. I find it odd that it's never been brought up by Jeremy that all the vampires died in 122 in the fire in such a horrible way because of Bonnie's choices. Jeremy was supposedly devastated by Anna's death and considering suicide at the time, yet it never even came up as an issue when he started dating Bonnie? And there's no real response from Jeremy when Bonnie is so determined to find a way to get rid of Anna's ghost now as well. Idk maybe the writers just don't make that connection with Bonnie being at fault for Anna's death, but she pretty much was, right? And this isn't me wanting to slam Bonnie! I'm just surprised I guess that the writers haven't used that as an issue from Jeremy's side at all, and that he hasn't brought it up even once
And to be honest I didn't care much for the characterisation of Lexi in this episode. She was introduced as Stefan's friend, and one that happily acknowledged that she was living off blood bags and doesn't know where Stefan gets his willpower from. It was presented as two platonic friends who simply enjoy one another's company over the years, indeed Lexi is openly annoyed by Damon and his being "the bad parts" of being a vampire. It seemed obvious at the time that she didn't have a lot of time for that. And it just feels like first the season 2 flashback episode retconned things a little by presenting Lexi as Stefan's saviour instead of the fun-loving vampire we first met in season 1, and now we're being told that over the years she more than once had to torture Stefan to bring him back to his humanity. And Stefan even calls Lexi on doesn't she have anything better to do than detox him now that she's dead, and yet the only issue that's bringing her back apparently is wanting to save Stefan. I mean really, that's ALL she cares about?!
I get that Lexi proved to be more of a fan favourite than they had perhaps first been expecting when they killed her off, but I don't understand why they almost have to change a lot of her personality when they do bring her back. A lot of the initial appeal of Lexi to me was the more fun side of Stefan that she brought out, seeing them be silly together. It was something different than we had seen of Stefan up to that point. Why couldn't the flashbacks be of the lighter variety, such as the Bon Jovi concerts that Katherine mentioned seeing them at? Those fun character pairings or bonding can be just as valuable as all the heavy serious stuff, so I find it a shame in a way that the only way they can think of using Lexi now is as Stefan's ~saviour~ and being attached to the whole ripper storyline.
And even aside from all that, I really didn't like the way they had Lexi torturing Stefan to bring back his humanity. The whole thing seemed to be played as kind of callous, and Idk I guess I just liked her more casual and playful personality that was first presented to us back in season 1
I really did enjoy the episode though, even though it may not sound like it! My favourite parts were the reunion between Pearl and Anna (tears were shed!), the Damon/Mason scenes, the Damon/Alaric scenes, the Jeremy/Anna scenes, and the Grams and Bonnie scenes. So far I'm really enjoying season 3 still
And to be honest I didn't care much for the characterisation of Lexi in this episode. She was introduced as Stefan's friend, and one that happily acknowledged that she was living off blood bags and doesn't know where Stefan gets his willpower from. It was presented as two platonic friends who simply enjoy one another's company over the years, indeed Lexi is openly annoyed by Damon and his being "the bad parts" of being a vampire. It seemed obvious at the time that she didn't have a lot of time for that. And it just feels like first the season 2 flashback episode retconned things a little by presenting Lexi as Stefan's saviour instead of the fun-loving vampire we first met in season 1, and now we're being told that over the years she more than once had to torture Stefan to bring him back to his humanity. And Stefan even calls Lexi on doesn't she have anything better to do than detox him now that she's dead, and yet the only issue that's bringing her back apparently is wanting to save Stefan. I mean really, that's ALL she cares about?!
I get that Lexi proved to be more of a fan favourite than they had perhaps first been expecting when they killed her off, but I don't understand why they almost have to change a lot of her personality when they do bring her back. A lot of the initial appeal of Lexi to me was the more fun side of Stefan that she brought out, seeing them be silly together. It was something different than we had seen of Stefan up to that point. Why couldn't the flashbacks be of the lighter variety, such as the Bon Jovi concerts that Katherine mentioned seeing them at? Those fun character pairings or bonding can be just as valuable as all the heavy serious stuff, so I find it a shame in a way that the only way they can think of using Lexi now is as Stefan's ~saviour~ and being attached to the whole ripper storyline.
And even aside from all that, I really didn't like the way they had Lexi torturing Stefan to bring back his humanity. The whole thing seemed to be played as kind of callous, and Idk I guess I just liked her more casual and playful personality that was first presented to us back in season 1
I really did enjoy the episode though, even though it may not sound like it! My favourite parts were the reunion between Pearl and Anna (tears were shed!), the Damon/Mason scenes, the Damon/Alaric scenes, the Jeremy/Anna scenes, and the Grams and Bonnie scenes. So far I'm really enjoying season 3 still
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Date: 2011-10-31 12:48 am (UTC)WOW. Good point. I completely forgot about that, so… maybe the writers did too? Ha. But yeah, it would have made that storyline so much more interesting.
I actually sort of like how dark and twisted they made Lexi this episode. Of course, it depends on which you take it. If the show was really trying to present Lexi-as-saviour as a GOOD thing, rather than something deeply unhealthy and abusive, then I despise every bit of it. But IDK. I'll wait and see where they take Stefan after this.
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Date: 2011-10-31 11:41 am (UTC)And I can't decide if we were meant to be agreeing with Lexi or not because Lexi's torturing of Stefan did seem deliberately quite similar to Caroline's dad trying to starve and torture her into overcoming the bloodlust, but then Lexi did seem to be given a lot more reasons to explain to Elena why she is doing what she is doing and it has proven effective in the past, and obviously Elena was going along with it and not really bringing up any concerns of is this actually meant to be helping him, so yeah I'm not sure what to take from it. I guess the most we can say is that it's obviously never been a long-term solution, so maybe it's not as helpful as Lexi seems to believe if she's had to torture Stefan to bring him back more than once in the time that she's known him
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Date: 2011-10-31 10:42 am (UTC)I was always miffed that Jeremy didn't openly confront John about his involvement in killing his girlfriend.
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Date: 2011-10-31 11:43 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2011-11-02 02:38 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2011-11-02 11:11 am (UTC)I actually feel like the character continuity tracked less with the episode of flashbacks from the second season. Lexi wasn't introduced as someone who wanted to ~save people~, she was clearly annoyed by Damon being all the bad parts of a vampire and had no time for him. She was just a genuinally nice person (I liked her bonding with Elena) who was mostly into having fun, and she brought that side out in Stefan which I appreciated. I thought that was interesting also as it made her quite different from what seem to be the typical either bad boy/bad girl vampire or brooding vampire which is the pattern that most shows stick with.
I don't care as much for this whole mentor business the show has since come up with for Lexi and Stefan's background, I prefer the original episode with the friendship of equals and the idea of a vampire having a lifelong platonic friend to hang out with. And when you look back it doesn't really make sense for Lexi to be casually asking Stefan if it's okay if she drinks this blood bag in front of him, and admire his strength of will-power in staying away from human bloodbags, to then later tell us that she was the person who had originally brought him back from his Ripper persona. In the season 3 episode they did bring back more of the characters original sass if you will from her initial episode, but as it was played alongside a plot of her torturing Stefan into overcoming the bloodlust, it just came across as quite callous to me and made me very uncomfortable.
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Date: 2011-11-02 11:30 pm (UTC)Exactly. I'm sick of that pattern and I was glad to see an exception.
["And when you look back it doesn't really make sense for Lexi to be casually asking Stefan if it's okay if she drinks this blood bag in front of him, and admire his strength of will-power in staying away from human bloodbags, to then later tell us that she was the person who had originally brought him back from his Ripper persona. "]
Yeah.
I do think it sounds like Stefan deserves to be tortured though. I have no time for this whole ripper thing.
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Date: 2011-11-05 02:26 am (UTC)Agree about Lexi, I thought her characterization was sad, actually. She has that boyfriend, you know, wouldn't she rather have been with him? But instead she was tethered to Stefan. At least the show registered that it was pathetic, I guess, like you mentioned. But ITA that they lost some of the fun appeal of Lexi and Stefan's friendship. Which reminds me that I am missing Stefan/Caroline scenes so much, sigh.
So far I'm really enjoying season 3
Me too. It's been pretty satisfying.
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Date: 2011-11-05 11:32 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2011-11-17 12:51 am (UTC)Honestly, I can't get behind the Bonnie/Jeremy relationship, not since day one. I don't find it to be developed enough, and I don't understand why they supposedly love each other. It feels like they were thrown together, and the writers have never tried to make more of it or fix it.
I also hated what they did with Lexi. Her scenes with Stefan did not work for me at all. It was a retcon, and it hurt the character. I wish they hadn't bothered.
I have mixed feelings on season three as a whole. I'm not buying Ripper Stefan and feel like the writers are having to try too hard to improve the character after failing with him in the writing department for two seasons. I'm also not that enamored with the Originals, except for Rebekah. I think they're taking too much time away from the main cast.
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Date: 2011-11-17 01:03 am (UTC)Kind of random but it also bothers me when the show makes stupid comparisons like Matt was prepared to let go of his sister, but Jeremy couldn't do the same with Anna. I got into this elsewhere actually lol, but Matt absolutely was willing to help Vicky come back, he only prevented it when she was aiming to kill Elena and also leave Alaric and Stefan to die in a burning car. ANYONE would have stopped Vicky at thiat point, it wasn't like there was much of a choice there! Whereas Anna was never intending to hurt anyone, she was just lonely and wanting to talk to Jeremy. The only wrong decision she made was to steal the necklace (which Jeremy didn't even know about until she confessed and handed it back, so it's not like he was working with her to hide it or anything), and again it seems like double standards with Anna being judged by the characters for wanting the necklace to find her mother and be less alone in the afterlife, yet not one comment is said about Bonnie risking grave consequences in bringing her boyfriend back from the dead. Indeed Bonnie doesn't act like she had anything to do with Jeremy being able to see the ghosts now, she just treats Jeremy like it's all his fault that he can see them and complains about Matt being able to let go of Vicky, even though the situations were hardly the same
I'm also not that enamored with the Originals, except for Rebekah. I think they're taking too much time away from the main cast
I agree with that, Klaus has never really grown on me.
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Date: 2011-12-20 11:44 pm (UTC)Honestly, I was angered by how many of the characters ganged up on him in this situation - it's exactly like you said: he didn't break up with Anna, she was taken from him in a horrible way and he didn't have closure. Neither of them did.
It was nothing like cheating.
This episode did nothing to help me like Bonnie. And Elena and Caroline didn't look very good either.
The only two characters I felt for were Anna and Jeremy. And Matt, for once.