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For episode 11 I found the first half a bit slow-moving quite honestly. I got pretty bored with the scenes with Ballard, and found the guy Alpa was pretending to be very irritating to watch. I did think that the framing device of sleeping beauty was nicely done (especially as this episode made Ballard and his wish to be Caroline's white knight really obnoxious and single-minded when he just bypasses November in his heroic rescue attempt), but I wasn't all that invested in the plot with the little girl tbh. It felt kind of superfluous so I'd have preferred if they'd found some way to include the voice-overs without that whole plot. The Victor actor did an awesome job as Dominic though, I loved that scene!

But overall the episode didn't start getting good for me until Ballard got inside the Dollhouse. Really the episode was all about those last 10 minutes when Alpha appeared. His first appearance was unbelievably scary, I was totally cringing when poor Victor got his face slashed aww. Don't hurt Victor! And his scenes questioning Dr. Saunder's about examining him were sooooo creepy.



LOVED 12. All the background on Alpha's creation inside the dollhouse was creeeepy. His "do you understand hell now" as he ripped out the eyes eeek!

The reveal of Whiskey was handled well, and the idea of her and and Alpha being the serial killers on a crime spree unaware that they were actually dolls acting out a Natural Born Killers fantasy was awesome. In fact I loved all of the scenes with Amy Acker, and her final line "I know who I am" when she refuses to look up her original personality. They did a good job of humanising Topher as well, and he seemed to be personally affected by Dr.Saunders in some way/upset that she wouldn't look up who she originally was? I wondered why they weren't honouring the original contract there actually, perhaps they don't like to release the dolls when they've been damaged like she was as the original personality wouldn't be too impressed to wake up in that condition after the promises Adelle made

Was I the only one hoping that they would lose Caroline's computer disk though? I preferred her as Echo with all of the various imprints to make her stronger and better. It would be cooler if they had shattered the computer disk, and we then see Caroline emerging organically from Echo in future seasons with the whole idea of you can't wipe away a soul.

And it was a nice twist that Paul saved Mellie, although I still feel that plot was a little rushed. I just never brought that he cared about Mellie all that much compared to Caroline (whom he had never even met when he became so fixated on her, so if I'm supposed to ship them? I don't). If he really fallen in love with Mellie that would have made it a lot more poignant. But maybe rushing that was an inevitable consequence of only getting 13 episodes



And then episode 13 BLEW MY MIND! Fox must have been insane not to air that episode. It was the best of the season!!!

I really hope that Joss makes good use of every single episode in season 2 (apparently there will be 13) to start building to that future

The scene with Adelle and Topher broke my heart OMG! She seemed so motherly and concerned when she was trying to comfort him during his breakdown, and the way he was all "did I think of that" *dies* It makes me look at a lot of their past scenes again with a new light too (for instance when Adelle is watching Topher on the camera as he celebrates his birthday) as I never see them as all that close before, but now I'm really interested in seeing that develop

And squee at Dominic returning! And my Adelle love is not ending anytime soon! "Did I miss anything?" "Just the vodka thank god" I think that I kinda ship those two *sheepish*, even though there's not much chance of that happening with him being in the attic and all *g*

And Whiskey! Her first appearance was so haunting, and then it all ended up breaking my heart with her having lost her mind and repeating that she had to wait

And Ballard and Caroline working together in the future! I was really pleased that he was made her handler actually as when I first started watching I assumed that would be his role, the FBI hunt always felt kind of dull to me. I'm much more excited about getting to see him working alongside Echo from the inside
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Date: 2009-08-17 04:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] beeej.livejournal.com
Wasn't Alan Tudyk fantastic as Alpha? The creepier he got, the greater my love for him grew. Joss always finds brilliant people, and I love that he likes to bring them into whatever new projects he's working on.

I'm really looking forward to the new season. I haven't heard anything plot-wise, but I've been really pleased and intrigued by what I've heard regarding casting.

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Date: 2009-08-17 04:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
I'm not familiar with the actor from anything else he's done, but that was definitely an awesome switch into Alpha. I hope he makes some more appearances for season 2!

I've got pretty high hopes for season 2 being fantastic from start to finish as Joss generally does well once he's got past the first season hurdles. Plus only 13 episodes will hopefully they will go into it with a really focused plan, and no filler episodes


I've been thinking of getting the DVD actually, but I can't find any info on whether the UK set includes extras or not :/

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Date: 2009-08-17 05:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] beeej.livejournal.com
Alan was in Firefly. He's also been in a lot of movies: 3:10 to Yuma, A Knight's Tale, Death at a Funeral, Knocked Up, to name a few. And he'll be making an appearance in the upcoming remake of "V".

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Date: 2009-08-17 04:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com
Fox... you mean another lot of Murdoch group, whose Sky broadcast Buffy season four without 4.10 ("Hush")? The greatest single BtVS episode ever and one of the greatest things ever done for television? Well, it seems that Murdoch's lot are consistent, if nothing else.

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Date: 2009-08-17 04:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
From everything I've heard it's been pretty ridiculous how they've treated Dollhouse, I'm surprised Joss ever gave them another chance in the first place

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Date: 2009-08-17 04:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com
It just makes me sick how he has been treated in general. BtVS is one of the history-making tv series of all time, it opened a whole new perspective on tv fiction, and look at all the crap he has had since.

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Date: 2009-08-17 09:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chelseagirl.livejournal.com
My understanding is that 13 was the closure episode, because they assumed they weren't getting renewed. I'm torn between digging up a copy, because everyone seems to love it, and watching next season without, to compare experiences with the more enlightened.

13 eps means they got a half-season renewal. Some of the cable channels are now doing more like British tv and not going with rigid full 22-episode seasons, but since FOX is a traditional network, that means that if Dollhouse picks up in the ratings, they'll presumably get the final 9 greenlighted. But I'm not holding my breath. ;-)

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Date: 2009-08-17 10:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
I think it's worth watching as I really did love it. It kind of reminds me of season 4 of Buffy when Primevil was the episode for closing off the main arc, but Restless was then the finale episode for setting up the next season

And I'm surprised that Fox even agreed to one more season honestly, but then they have a contract with Eliza to have a show I believe, so perhaps they just figured it was cheaper to stick with Dollhouse now that the main sets are build now

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Date: 2009-08-18 04:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] withafireinside.livejournal.com
Wasn't it awesome OMFG?!

I just rewatched the last episode, and I had almost forgotten how depressing it was. I can't wait for new episodes.

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Date: 2009-08-18 04:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
It was awesome! It really makes me hope that Joss gets the time he needs to build towards that future :D

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Date: 2009-08-18 06:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sum1-different.livejournal.com
* (sorry, edit needed doing)

Some people seem to be complaining that Joss's shows shouldn't be fucked around by networks because he's JOSS. But Joss is not god. He's just a tv creator. He doesn't deserve special treatment. A lot of tv shows get screwed around. People acted like it was an outrage that Firefly got screwed around, but it wasn't this great marvellous show some people think it was. It was a smart-alec show too busy being hip, "clever" and cool to bother making a serious heartfelt connection. And this Dollhouse, I just don't see anything extraordinary about it. And it's not helped by having Dushku at the center. Dushku can do a reasonably good performance when she has the right material (as in Tru Calling) but in general I think there's something rather limited about her acting. She's nothing like SMG, who really connects deep and makes you feel her characters' feelings really MATTER. And I don't think Joss is going to do anything great ever again unless he gets SMG to take the central role.

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Date: 2009-08-18 06:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
People acted like it was an outrage that Firefly got screwed around, but it wasn't this great marvellous show some people think it was

I never saw Firefly, but from what people have said the problem there was Fox airing the episodes out of order, and then canceling after just 13 episodes.


And I would like to see Joss and Sarah work together again :)

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Date: 2009-08-18 10:42 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Firefly deserved to be cancelled after 13 eps. And I don't think it would have been a big sucess even if it had been aired in order. It's simply not general appeal. It's just not that relatable.

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Date: 2009-08-18 10:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sum1-different.livejournal.com
That was me.

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Date: 2009-08-18 10:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
I do think that Joss is someone who has more success with cult hits rather than ever being mainstream