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They don't want us to watch. It's quite obvious.

I was so bouncy at the reunion in Odyssey and their connection still getting focused on, whether in a romantic way or not. Then they use the Fever letter of all things to pimp Clois. If they want to do Clois I can deal with that, but they don't have to as good as say fuck you to the Chlark fans at the same time

I know. There are ways to build something without tearing down somethin else.

They just don't want us to watch anymore.

Yeah, honestly I don't think the Fever Letter was handled well. They could still have moved to Clois without using that and left that as something for the Chlark fans to hold.

Thank you *hugs* It was annoying me when so many people over at K-site were voting that the Fever letter was handled well when it was basically just leaving one shipping group feeling very screwed over :/ Chlarkers were so excited at the spoiler for the Fever letter being discussed, and fine I understand being excited for your own ship, but when you're voting that something that upset other shippers was a good thing, well it left me feeling slightly let down to be honest. Not that anything in this fandom should surprise me any more *sighs*

Where are the fan that are writing about the Fever Letter as something discovered in the things Lana left at the Farm and Clark realizes what a conniving biotch she is (then again, if Wrath and Siren don't do it, I'm guessing maybe dark!Lana left because Clark wouldn't engage with her as a real nemesis!).

And your icon intimates another where the Fever Letter is used to realize that Lana was in love with CHLOE the whole time because she scribbled things on it that showed she wished SHE had Chloe's devotion.

I love Chlana. That would have been awesome!

I don't understand the need to fuck with part of your fanbase to cheer on another. if they have to do the Clois, come up with some real Clois moments you uncreative bastards.

Chloiac swore. Brainiac doesn't love Clark. He loves Lex. :P

Hee *g*

I just don't care if some people think that Chloe's unrequited love for Clark makes her pathetic or whatever, it's been a part of her character for 8 seasons now, what reason do they have to have her suddenly announce that she is now only loving Jimmy (don't you just love how they didn't have him mention that he cheated with Kara too *eyeroll*). Excuse me for remembering her heartfelt pleas to Jor-El just last season. It makes about as much sense as Lois's sudden out of the blue love for Clark when they haven't build up to that at all. Okay so she saw him in a suit in Plastique, big deal she saw him naked in their first meeting, and in a suit in Exposed. They're not even trying to develop anything this season, but just reboot the entire show

And it's not just Chloe's love for Clark that's getting ripped off, it's Chloe's actual character. Remember Lois telling Clark "Most of us started on wants ads, and there was a time I would have killed for an orbit". When Lois's first article for the Inquisitor was a front page story, and it was Chloe that was shown to be stuck in the basement answering the phone in Exposed, and excited at just getting a story snuck in on page 73. Lois has always had more luck with choice assignments, the episode after her hiring at the DP she was send out of town on a special assignment, not to mention the Lex Luthor interview. They're just giving Lois Chloe's entire backstory, and season 8 has made me me like Lois more, but as a Chloe fan I hate it to see them just hand all of her character traits off. Plus it makes previous seasons feel kind of pointless when they haven't laid the groundwork at all, and are in some cases blatantly retconning past events. You can really tell the change in showrunners

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I honestly think the network stepped in and told them to shut down Chlark and push Clois. The spoilers we got before the season began were hopeful, but the way they've played out makes no sense. It's like after Plastique they were forced to take the show in a different direction in regards to Chlark.

I just can't believe they did that :/ I was really excited for something romantic and epic from Chloe in Committed, especially as most of the episode would obviously be Clois couple stuff, so I thought they'd give Chlarker's something too. Something along the lines of she loves Jimmy, but not in the way that she loves Clark, and that Clark will always be the love of her life. But apparently she isn't in love with Clark any more at all *sniffs*

Well, honestly, I'd have preferred for them to give up on the unrequited love in S5 or even if S3 if they weren't going to do ANYTHING with it but make us suffer. I'm not a het shipper (though it helps that as a writer, I can see Chlark and Chlark fans are NICE), but if they're going to keep this unrequited love as part of Chloe's character, you CANNOT lightswitch it all and expect us to accept it!

I recognize that they're ripping off Chloe's complete character, and I think the metaphor of what Brainiac is doing to her is apt for what the producers are doing now.

That's why I can't watch this season. I might try sometime, but I'm holding off. It'll make the seasons I love look pointless, and I don't want to lose my muse.

I can see Chlark and Chlark fans are NICE

:D

And everything is just confusing this season. I don't understand why they don't want to build up to things properly, give us reasons for Chloe gradually realising that she growing out of Clark if they absolutely have to do that. Show Lois slowly starting to appreciate Clark more and his quirks. Instead it's just bam Clark puts on a suit and ever since then Lois flirts with him. And bam Chloe gets hooked up to a lie detector and no longer loves Clark.

Well, this is bitchy, but frankly, I think it's just because they're hacks. Seriously. My FAVORITE part of writing is building something up, laying breadcrumbs, working the tension until the moment when someone realizes that things have changed. It's why I write so damn LONG.

They don't really care about character anymore. Instead of having the plot grow organically out of the characters, they jerk the characters around to suit the plot, which has never made any sense. Boo.

The writing on Smallville has always been its weakest link, but this season it's sunk to a new low.

I don't think I ever would have liked Clois, but I could have accepted it had it been built to properly. And they have a whole season to build to it, that's what I don't get. Do they find no satisfaction in writing well? Are they totally divested of the story they're telling that they don't care if it pays off?

The writing's going to drive me away from Smallville and that's a shame, because I really do like looking at Tom Welling.

And they have a whole season to build to it, that's what I don't get.

Part of me is wondering about Erica's episodes now. If she is still on 13, then Lois won't be around much for the second half of the season, and maybe that's why they're rushing the Clois. But it really doesn't make sense to have such a heavy Clois focus for the first half of season 8, and then switch things, so I can see it continuing unless they want to give the audience whiplash :P

So far Lois is in 8 out of the first 12 episodes, so that either means she only has four/five episodes to go, or they will up her contract. Yet the new showrunners haven't announced doing that, and the way they are rushing the Clois at the moment does suggest that maybe Lois won't be around as much later on, or at the very least the focus will be elsewhere. Still who knows any more

Who's this Tess person?

Lex's new bodyguard, she's really meant to be Mercy who I've been waiting to see since season 5!

Edited Date: 2008-10-17 02:51 am (UTC)

We used to think AlMiles liked to kick Chloe around, but this is worse. I thought it was bad when they screwed over us Clexers, but this is WORSE, not for me, but just in general. I'd probably mind it more if I wasn't sorta burned out by the sea of Chlark-ness. They dominate the fandom almost exclusively now, it sometimes seems.

This season is crazy, but I'm enjoying it so far. We'll see what they have for us next.

What's annoying me at the moment is that I was enjoying this season too, but I just don't know what to make of how insulting the handling of Chlark is getting, and it's making me not want to support the show any more if this is how they treat their fans. I mean they didn't need to bring back the Fever letter (which they know meant an awful lot to Chlark fans, it was used in campaigns to those assses about Chlark being worth the wait) to pimp a whole other ship.

Edited Date: 2008-10-17 03:13 am (UTC)

I guess they realized how gross it made Lois seem if she went after Clark while Chloe was still in love with him. Thus beating the Chimmy love into our brains repeatedly. I remember Chlois and Chlarkers being so excited about the spoilers for this episode and the last. I pretty much knew it wouldn't end well.

Toxic did have Chloe express jealousy of Clark spending all his time with Lois, and thinking that she would have been the one correcting Clark's typos, so they have gone there a bit still.

OH WHAT THE FLIPPING FUCK.
I didn't watch because I didn't want to contribute to the ratings, even in a roundabout way. I played World of Warcraft during the episode. XD

I'M SO PISSED ABOUT THIS.
My fangirl heart hurts. They keep beating the shit out of it.

IT'S NOT WORKING. I STILL LOVE MY CHLARK, BUT YOU CAN DIAF, SHOW.

Clois kissed in the DP too after fans spend all summer excited over the Vessal kiss, so part of me isn't even surprised that they went there with the Devoted rip-off

I agree with you so much. If they want to do Clois, fine whatever. I just hate that they are taking everything that made me love Chlark in the first place to pimp it instead of developing Clois like they should of in the first place. Lois all of a sudden loves Clark? After 5 episodes, don't believe.

And PS3 are being real lazy by having guest actors come on in order to let the audience know that Clois have this o so wonderful bond, instead of actually showing it to us. UGH.

*nods* I don't mind Clois scenes this season in terms of finding the whole comedy banter thing entertaining enough, but I just don't buy the romance they are selling. It really does seem to consist more of other people suggesting they are meant to be, and Lois's love was soooo out of the blue. I'd have at least expected it to come from her seeing Clark saving someone and being heroic, not just acting flustered around him ever since he wore that blue shirt

I don't think they want us as fans at all, personally. They clearly don't give a damn about us.

I really don't know what to make of the past two episodes, especially when they did apparently go to some lengths to sign Allison for all 22 episodes this season

They obviously don't want to keep Chlark fans. From what I've heard about the last two episodes it just seems like they are literally going out of their way to kick Chlarkers in the teeth. There was no need to bring the freaking Fever Letter back if they were just going to use it to pimp the Chimmy and the Clois. It seems like it was done just to go to the Chlarkers "Well screw you guys! Enjoy the show!"

WTF? This show is so terrible now. It makes me sad.

I hate that Chloe could answer that Jimmy is the only man she loves, and the lie detector test wouldn't catch that out. I'm guessing maybe the Brainiac influence comes into that a little, but they didn't take the opportunity to even hint at that, instead the Chimmy was played totally straight and now it's true love after all I guess.

I don't watch this show, so I just read your post with a "buh?!" expression on my face. :-)

Hee. Well Clark/Chloe is my ship, and they're pretty much wrecking it in the most insulting way by taking moments that they know meant a lot to the fans to do so :/

Edited Date: 2008-10-17 11:27 pm (UTC)

I know Chlarkers are pissed that Lois wore the jersey, even I was like wtf and made a tiff about it at the Clois board I'm in. But then someone pointed out to me that it wasn't even the same jersey and it was under totally different circumstances, so I don't see the big deal anymore, not that it helps you any :/

If it were just the jersey on its own I wouldn't be so disappointed, but it's also mainly the handling of the Fever letter to wrap up Chloe's romantic feelings as now unimportant, and Chloe saying that she only loves Jimmy *sighs* They started off so well in Odyssey and Plastique too in terms of respecting Chlark's history and bond, even if they didn't want it make it romantic. But when the showrunners themselves have laughed about Chimmy not being popular I just don't understand why they have to marry them off of all things, and while making it plain that Chloe is so over the man that she has loved and been devoted too for all seven seasons of the show I watched.

Craig has this awesome quote from Don Whitehead on "Traveler" from the season 7 companion,

"We know Chloe loves Clark. Is it romantic love? Is it platonic love? It's love. It transcends the platonic or romantic... she loves him with every fiber of her being."

And it feels like that's what they're now taking away from us in order to waste Chloe's screentime on cutesy scenes with Jimmy. There's no way that Chloe of season 6 or 7 could have answered the question by saying that she is only in love with Jimmy, so more and more season 8 feels like a reboot of everything that A&M did with the show IMO. They could at least try to respect the history of the characters and build more on what came before. Instead it's just rushing everything (Clark entrance to the DP, Lois falling for Clark, Chloe being content with Jimmy as her one and only) so they can get on with the show they want to tell. But Smallville should be about watching the characters journey's, not rushing us to the end point. They could spend all of season 4 on a witch plot that had nothing much to do with Clark, but they can't spend one scene on why Clark gets hired at the DP for instance. Stuff the show shoudl actually be about when it comes to young Clark Kent. Instead it's just *shrugs we want him there, so there he will be*

Edited Date: 2008-10-19 06:50 pm (UTC)

I agree with you actually. I even made an entry in my LJ about this episode in peticular and how they definitely should have at least phrased the question differently for Lois, because saying the word LOVE and having her pass, even if she retracted it later on, it really is rushed and that is way too strong an emotion to be using right now, that was actually the only real part of the episode I had a problem with even as a Cloiser, we even got decent Chlo-Lo again which shocked me happily except for Lois' little blunder in the beginning lol I'm atleast glad she apologized for it.. but yeah I mean I brought it up at the Clois board I'm on and apparently I'm in the minority of thinking that its way too soon, its like hmm well sorry to ruin your Clois squee by trying to voice some countering opinion here..*sigh* whatever. I miss old Clois, old Chlo-Lo, old Chlark, and old trio interaction, everything is changed so drastically even I am having a hard time with some of the season. I would have loved to have Chloe still at the DP along with Lois and Clark (without any Chloe/Lois negative energy that was season 7), and I never had a problem with the Chlark friendship, I just don't ship them romantically, hell I'm close to not shipping anyone romantically on this show anymore LOL I really don't know what to think about the show anymore.

I wonder why they are being so vague about Erica's contracted episodes, and why they didn't reveal her number of episodes before the season started. Because if she is in most of the season then why the need to rush Clois. They could build up to her falling for Clark around the middle of the season, because otherwise where do they take it from here? They've established Lois's feelings so early on, and it's not like there's really any obstacles to prevent them from getting together if they are both interested, and Lois is already thinking in terms of love. (Well depending on how they use Lana, but they can't be writing much of a love triangle when Lois is missing from two of Lana's episodes). I do definitely think they could have just had Lois asked in Committed if she has feelings for this man, that would be far more realistic and would fit with Lois just starting to develop feelings. Just as they could have spend a couple of scenes explaining how Clark got hired, instead of oh he's a reporter now.

I didn't mind the cousins scenes cause I was agreeing with everything that Lois said at the party hee, even if it wasn't the place for it :P In seasons 6 and 7 (7 especially) I think the writers were just starting to get off on playing the fans off against each other, so I was pleasantly surprised at how the final Chloe/Lois scene was handled

But starting from Plastique really it felt to me like the new showrunners have been seeing a whole different show in their heads, so it almost came across like Clark meeting Lois for the first time even when they had lived together a few years previously, and were hugging last year in Siren. Lois just feels different to me, and now suddenly they're making it so that Lois had to start off writing orbits, instead of her first article on the barn door reaching the front pages, and Grant taking a special interest in her work at the DP.

I'm torn because I actually do like Lois this year in a way that I haven't since Crusade-Devoted time, but I hate feeling like they are giving her the working her way up backstory which was Chloe's, and now Lois falling in love with Clark first as well. With the Chlois theory there was this big deal made in response about Lois not needing to be like Chloe in how she gets into journalism because she is her own unique and special character. Yet now the new showrunners are thinking they can get away with presenting Lois in the way that I personally believe she should have been all along. (In terms of having Lois telling the audience that she worked her way up). We probably won't agree there :P but I had problems how they handled Lois becoming a reporter in Sneeze, and how her intro to the DP was handled. But I just feel that now they've done it that way they should at least the courage of their convictions to work with that, instead of changing those things about her backstory. I kind of resent them for it because I probably would have really liked Lois if she was introduced as she is now as a new character this season, instead of my remembering how things have gone in the past and how they are screwing Chloe up to make room

If any of that makes any sense at all *g* I mean it could also be me making too big a deal about that one orbits reference from Lois, but it's really the overall sense I get that they've rebooted the show for the Lois And Clark audience and the comic book fans, and are disrespecting Smallville's audience to do it. There are ways of building off what they have, and still getting to the place they want to get too, instead of rushing everything through

Edited Date: 2008-10-19 08:44 pm (UTC)

LOL I have no idea what they were trying to say about Lois and the obit thing.. then again, she could have had obits since she got hired at the Inquisitor AFTER she submitted the article in Sneeze.. I have no clue.. offscreensville strikes again unfortunately. I would have loved if they kept Lois into journalism after Devoted.. when they found out they could have her for more episodes, they talked restrictions about her being into journalism (which did nothing but have people look down on her, and I wonder did DC see that?), she couldn't be at the DP, she couldn't kiss Clark, etc... its like hmm shes still my favorite character but that didn't mean I didn't have problems with the way she was written, I hated the Grois thing even if they did try to write bringing up her Combat article in Blue as the reason he hired her.. something tells me the past and Grant won't even be brought back up anymore though lol..

As for Erica's contract, I have no clue... the most clear answer we have gotten so far was her interview with Matt @ TV Guide about how they told her she is definitely getting more episodes she just doesn't know how many.. I don't know why they didn't just give her a full season, but maybe they just wanted to avoid more contract negotiations or something lol. I have no clue how that works.

As for them building up her feelings for Clark, now.. I don't know, but I have STRONG feeling its because Lana is coming back episode 10, so of course they have to kick some female on the show with her presence, as much as I like Lana and wanted her to stay on the show actually, I just know its gonna cause problems for Lois because you can't have her not come back and have some other female not heartbroken, it seems to be the way of Smallville.

It was the whole "there was a time I would have killed for an orbit" which threw me off cause it was so blatantly not the backstory of Lois. I mean she started off at the Inquisitor at a pretty good position of just hunting out stories around the GA and things like that, never doing grunt work. And I can't assume that she did considering that she got the job from getting emails offering her a reporters position. And then there was the Grant thing at the DP which meant she never really struggled to establish herself there either.

I definitely don't think they will bring up Grant again either. But then there's still the part of me that's like well it happenned now, when you're doing a show like SV about the journey's of the characters, you cannot just whitewash the past or else what's the point of any of it. Part of the fun for me with Clark, Lex, Lana, and Chloe was watching them grow and change over the years, and I never emotionally connected to Lois in the same way because things came off as so random for her, and the Lois Lane name seemed to make everyone just assume that we would take certain things for granted as destined to happen for her, even though they never did that in the same way with say Lex who always had a journey tracking why things turned out for him as they did. Lois doesn't seem in control of her fate in the same way IMO, but like there's some iconic destiny paving the way for her

And SV has apparently been forced to return to season 1's buget. They've probably reluctant to renegotiate Erica's contract too much because of that, but they're using her in so many episodes in the first half of the season that I don't quite know what's going to happen now. It's going to make the season feel very off-balance if she's only in 5 or 6 episodes for the second half of the season

My guess, is maybe they're waiting to find out if they get a season 9.. if they do, I'm guessing yeah Lois will probably be put on the back burner again, ala season 6 second half of the season lol, as much as it pains me as a Lois fan.. but if this is the last season, well shes already missing from 2 episodes after the hiatus, and I highly doubt they'll put her in every episode after episode Bulletproof, so I guess I have to wait and see. I know I've already speculated (pissing Cloisers off in the process) that I bet if they do get a season 9, they will somehow do Chlark the second half of this season, it was just a feeling I got.

Originally spoilers made me think that they were doing Chlark this season, why else bring the Fever letter back and have Clark supposedly re-examine his own feelings for Chloe. But then ultimately they didn't really do much with that, so at the moment I'm feeling like they closed the door on Chlark pretty firmly :/ Although I guess with this show things can always change around pretty fast

I don't know what the chances are for season 9, would Tom really sign for it?

Would Tom sign for it? Hmm that seems to be the question... the PS3 seem firmly set on season 9, but I would absolutely hate if they even tried to do one without Tom, that would be insane.

You're right about things changing around fast, all people have to do is watch season 6 to see how fast they changed Lexana from Lana being in love with him to, well, how it went down.

Speaking of Smallville, do you know what happened with fanforum and with DTS?

Here's an update on FF, it should be back soon http://community.livejournal.com/fanforumers/301660.html

Not sure abouit DTS :/

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