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How sick am I of Noxon-bashing? Enough to break my rule of silence, certainly. I've had so many people rag on her for aspects of the show I developed, or praise me for things she came up with. She's been a vital part of everything people love about Buffy since she overhauled the halloween script in season two. She's as good a story-breaker as I've ever worked with. And she's a leader.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion, Vmars. You are uninformed and rude. That's mine.

joss

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Go Joss! I love how Vmars just carries on making rude comments about the Spike show, and whining about the majority of people hate seasons 6 and 7, when the creator of the show was there himself, and taking offense to what he was saying.

Some people have no manners. And how can you still need to rant about it anyway? I understand feeling upset when the show is still airing, but Bts has been over for years now! Get a grip, and find some tv that you do enjoy and want to talk about. Geez

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Season 6 had a lot of good in it, season 7 totally ruined the show. All the joy and style and positiveness vanished from the show over the course of season 7. Spike got screwed over so he had to spend much of the season chained up, tied up, nuts or doing evil. Way to waste a good character. We had the awfulness of Caleb shoved down our throats, a painful stereotype played in a particularly revolting way (and not revolting in a makes-sense the-character-is-supposed-to-be-revolting-so-the-performance-should-be sort of way, no, in a type of revolting that didn't work and shouldn't have been). And the season was dominated by the lamest big bad of all time, the FE. Not to mention the incredibly lame "ubervamp" that was supposed to come off like a ferocious powerhouse but ended up coming off like a creepy little Gollum figure instead. We had Dawn, one of the best things in the show, shoved in the background and belittled. We had Faith dredged up and shoved in our face (and at the same time as Caleb -double pukage). We had endless meanningless action stuff that had zero feeling or intelligence to it. We had racism: Slayer power gets turned into three-black-guys-try-to-rape-a-blonde-white-woman blacks-raping-white-women stereotype and we get it rammed in our face that the power of these black guys was BAD, whilst the power of the old WHITE woman was good and the power of WHITE Willow was greater than the power of the three black guys. Meanwhile black guy Wood has to have an anger issue (talk about stereotypes, and that was pulled with Gunn too) and has to be humiliated and conspicuusly beaten into submission by the dyed-blonde white guy. We get glorification of Willow, who'd done so much harm with magic and should never be touching it again -instead she's glorified as a goddess for forcing slayer status on a whole ton of people without asking their permission. We get Buffy portrayed negatively as if you're supposed to hate her. We get Buffy's "friends" treating her like shit and getting totally forgiven for it without having to pay in the slightest. We get cold fish Giles being a pain all season. We get Andrew shoved down our throat non-stop, as if we're supposed to like him after he's MURDERED his best friend -and the screen time that went to Andrew could have gone to Dawn or to a Dawn-Spike reconciliation scene (oh thank you Joss for ruining one of best friendships on the show, THE best actually). For supposed female empowerment we get shown that young women are useless and hopeless unless you give them superpowers -that's the message of how the potentials are portrayed, which is a pretty odd female empowerment message. Another pretty odd female empowerment message is forcing slayer status on tons of young women and girls without them being given the slightest say in the matter. Female empowerment includes women making their own choices, not having them made for them, not having roles forced on them and decisions made for them. There's a lot more sexism in the season which I won't go into here. Too much and too painful. Painful was what so much of the season was in so many ways. There were some good bits in the first 7 eps but after that it all went to hell. The heart of the show was torn out, the soul of it was stamped in the dirt, all the joy and life and spirit and intelligence and positiveness of it was taken out. The show was destroyed and spat upon. When Caleb gloated in the end of Dirty Girls it felt to me like he was gloating over the ruining of the show that I'd loved. There were some good bits here and there up to the end, it's true, but they were totally swamped by shit all around.

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Oh and we had Angel and B/A shoved down our throats. B/A was dead and gone but it had to be dragged in and resurrected to delegitimize spuffy and to pander to B/Aers. That was almost as bad as the AR. But unlike the AR it wasn't in a season that was overall worthwhile. Season 6 was very faulted but it had a lot of positive in it, season 7 had tiny bits of good here and there swimming in a massive sea of sewage. Season 7 HURT me. Maybe I gave the show too much of my heart, that I could be hurt so by it. But that's how it was. Season 7 hurt me, scarred me and I've never recovered from that. It's given me a bitterness and cynicsm in how I view all tv shows ever since. You can only be stabbed in the back like that once, ever after you expect it.

And then Joss went on to totally shit on the character of Spike in season 5 of Angel and to give us easily the worst season in a show that had been declining badly for many seasons. And then we got Not Fade Bloody Well Away. Joss said he wouldn't end it on a cliffhanger and then he bloody well ended it on a cliffhanger. And a horrible episode that left me wanting to puke my guts out. It was as if he was trying to top the horribleness of Chosen and BTVS season 7. And now he wants to come back to the Buffyverse and ruin it more and we're supposed to accept these comics as canon. I say screw that! And screw season 7.

People who know me in Buffy fandom know me as one of the bitterest of Buffy fans. It was season 7 that made me bitter.

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Just so you know, there's nothing personal toward you in this rant, you just said you didn't understand why people would hate season 7 and all this stuff came gushing out of me.

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Note to Frelling Tralk: I hope you don't mind me ranting like that on your LJ. I found it rather cathartic and I copied the rant over into my own LJ.

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In case you're interested, when I put the rant into my LJ I added the following line to the racism part of it: Also note how among the potentials it's the black one and the hispanic-looking one who are portrayed negatively (Rhona and Kennedy) -and the oriental one is made into a joke.