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Storyteller is just as funny as I remembered. I do think it's one of the funniest episodes they ever did. And then the ending with Andrew realising, "this is how Jonathon must have felt" *sniff* Buffy/Wood were a bit more flirtatious than I would prefer mind you *g*

Lies My Parents Told Me was awesome of course. I did feel Spike was really harsh on poor Wood when he said his mother never loved him though. But then I prefer this more ruthless Spike, after getting the subdued version earlier on in the season. I enjoyed crazy Spike in the basement, and wish they had done more with the whole split personality thing from BY. People complained about basement Spike, but I loved that. How we got just little teases of him each episode and it was all the boards were mostly talking about after :p Once the writers had him as more part of the gang, and drifting round the Summers house, I felt his role started to blend in too much. So glad GID gave us back bad ass Spike. I remember on FF I was gasping just at the spoiler that he was going to drink from Wood, so it's nice that the show still makes challenging decisions with the characters, and can surprise us to the end.

And I don't think Buffy would have killed Dawn. She tells Giles she would, when he's pushing her, but I'd say the show immediately disproves that when she can't see Spike be murdered. And the episode ends with Buffy checking on Dawn and stroking her face.

Dirty Girls was just awesome! That episode is so underrated! Season 6 is the season of character driven drama, where a lot of episodes seem to drift along without much happening. And season 7 is the more plot driven season with some people upset at their favourite characters being neglected. Overall I do prefer season 6, but DG is definitely an example of what season 7 does best! It kicked ass! Faith's reunion with Buffy was perfection. Andrew's flashbacks of her *squeals* The whole war theme. I was gripped from beginning to end, even when having seen it all before. Casual viewers must have loved it. Xander's speech about Buffy was just adorable. And I love Caleb as the villain, and how it tied up everything that happened all season.

The only downside was the decision to have Spike lounging around topless like a porn star. It takes you out of the episode because it feels so forced and overdone. Otherwise I enjoyed Spike's scene with Faith. (There was no sexual chemistry there though, let us be clear on that). Oh and Buffy's hair was just er bad. Other than that! I was only planning to watch some of it before pausing, but from beginning to end I just couldn't stop watching.


I miss Buffy...
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Date: 2006-01-04 11:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] missy7280.livejournal.com
Good little analysis. I agree with what you said, season 7 definitely had some good episodes even though I also liked season 6 better.

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Date: 2006-01-04 11:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
Season 7 had a bit of a mid season slump, but it's definitely past it now :D

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Date: 2006-01-09 02:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sum1-different.livejournal.com
Season 7 went to total crapper real fast and stayed that way.

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Date: 2006-01-09 02:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sum1-different.livejournal.com
Acually, it didn't stay that way, it went down the crapper and into the sewers, where it met Angel, who's always hanging around there with the other sewage. And that's the worst fate of all.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-04 11:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_rogue_slayer_/
What?! You didn't like sexy Dirty Girls Spike?? And no chemistry?? What show were you watchin' girlie!? :~P

But didn't you love Buffy's look at them....priceless. Yeah, she can go on a date, but he can't sit and talk....

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-04 11:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mbangel10.livejournal.com
I loved that look! Plus, the guilt ridden look he gave her back. Sigh.... I do miss that show....

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-04 11:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_rogue_slayer_/
Plus, the guilt ridden look he gave her back.

Ah yes, that was sweet.

BTW, I'm assuming from your name that you're either a former Bangel/current Spuffy, or you dig them both. Don't find many of them! I'm a former Bangel myself. They both had their time and were lovely.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-04 11:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
Oh I found it aesthetically pleasinng all right *g* But it's not like we haven't seen plenty of shirtless Spike already. I'd rather they throw a shirt on the poor guy, and just let him act. Why exactly would Spike be sitting in the basement posing with no shirt on? It look too staged.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-04 11:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
*looked

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-04 11:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_rogue_slayer_/
He was just woken from a sleep, silly! Of course he wasn't wearing a shirt. At least that's what I'm assuming the sexy bedhead meant. I'm surprised he was wearing pants, but I guess with a houseful of girls he had to be careful.

I can see how you might feel the scene was forced, but really Spike and Faith are the most alike, and they had to give us a little interaction. Especially with the bodyswap mention!!

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-04 11:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
I liked the Faith and Spike interaction. All of her reunions with other characters were great. I just didn't care for the forced attempts at chemistry. Spike is Buffy's man! Or vampman

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Date: 2006-01-05 12:24 am (UTC)
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I agree, they didn't have that much chemistry at all, not like Faith had with Angel, or Wesley even.

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Date: 2006-01-09 02:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sum1-different.livejournal.com
About as hot as the north pole.

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Date: 2006-01-04 11:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mbangel10.livejournal.com
I really miss that show too. My older sister and I still have Buffy marathons on occasion and we both rate season 6 as our favorite. The one thing I miss was during the run of the show when we found out in conversation that we were both Buffy addicts, was calling each other and discussing the episode right after it aired. It was so much fun.

S7 I enjoyed quite a bit too. I know a lot of people rate it low but it's still one of the seasons I watch the most of. I'm glad you're enjoying it again too. :)

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-04 11:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
My faovurites are seasons 3, 5, and 6 I'd say. And defintely season 7 is not as terrible as most of fandom rates it. So far it's been a great way of wrapping up the series

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-09 02:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sum1-different.livejournal.com
I think most of fandom rates season 7 way too highly.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-09 03:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
Season 7 is rarely voted as favourite season in episode polls. A lot of people talk about seasons 6 and 7 with disgust, but season 6 has a lot more fans still, in comparison to the number of people that rate season 7 highly

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-10 02:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sum1-different.livejournal.com
That's STILL people rating season 7 too highly. Waaaaay too highly. I think a lot of it doesn't deserve to be called BTVS at all.

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Date: 2006-01-04 11:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blush-violently.livejournal.com
I loved basement crazy!spike. Too bad the show decided, "ok he's sane now". idunno mumblemumble.

yeah the shirtlessness/almost nudity got annoying. Hell, I'm a big advocate for topless men, but even I thought it was overdone and weird at times.

^_^

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-04 11:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
So glad someone else did! On the boards I posted at, everyone seemed angry about it and talking of Spike being forgotten by the writers. But I loved all his crazy rantings. His intro in Lessons was fabulous, with the flashes of William coming through. STSP when we see he's being talked at by different people at the same time. Help when he's all needing a hug, hutting himself and saying William is a bad man, can Buffy help him be quiet *cuddles* And Selfless with The First appearing as comforting Buffy, and his reaction to real Buffy arriving. Ooh and his mention of Dru would see things that weren't there, and now he knows how it feels *misses Dru* That's what I would have liked to have seen more of. When he's all hugging himself at the end of Lessons and The First appears to him. That ruled!


They pretty much decided it was all just the basement, and made him sane again after a quieter period in Him. Pfft. I used to love reading Dori's Spikefeed at the beginning of season 7. Spike would just have a couple of scenes, but they were always so good.

When he was moping around Buffy's house in First Date, it wasn't quite the same somehow.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-09 02:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sum1-different.livejournal.com
Oh god nononono! Crazy Spike drove ME nearly crazy! Felt like throwing the tv at Joss. AWWWWWWWWFUL! ::shudders at the memory::

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-05 01:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] withafireinside.livejournal.com
I agree that "Dirty Girls" is underrated. I remember when the spoilers came out, everyone was already declaring it the worst episode ever. I thought the spoilers sounded interesting, and the episode rocked.

And Spike naked is never a problem for me. It seemed a lot more natural to have him shirtless since that's how he always sleeps. But yeah, Spike/Faith had no real chemistry, and the writers were trying way too hard to make it sexy.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-05 10:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
Sleeper as well, with all the focus on Spike's hip bones and the sheet revealing just enough. I know Spike does sleep naked, but it still feels too much of a wink at the audience for me. Spike sprawled on the bed smoking, it felt like a set-up for female viewers IMO.

You hear of it as a good episode, but never spoken of as one of the greats. But I think it's one of the best arc episodes they ever did. DG stomps all over something like Tough Love if you compare episodes near the build-up to the end.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-09 02:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sum1-different.livejournal.com
Dirty Girls is one of the eps I hate most of all. It pisses me off soo much. To me it's 300% crap and a total ruin and travesty of the show.

And Sleeper... ick, awful dead-souled ep, that's where the season started to really go to hell. Next step down was Bring on the Night (Bring on the Shite I call it), next after that was after they shoved Dawn aside in Potential, then next down was Dirty Girls and the finale plunge into 1 thousand percent decline was Chosen. The show declined in steps as the season progressed, getting worse step by step and horrifying the bejayzuz out of me.

(I don't like season 7. ;) )

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-09 03:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
Why do you hate DG? I mean it's all right that you do :p just curious as to why

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-10 02:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sum1-different.livejournal.com
That's too long an essay for me to write right now. There's so much wrong with it I'd go on for hours.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-05 03:21 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kristiinthedark.livejournal.com
I've always thought Season 7 was underrated. There are many gems to find!

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-05 10:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
*nods* And The First Evil storyline is one I'm actually really enjoying. I'm agreeing with Joss about it being the perfect way to end the series :D

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-09 02:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sum1-different.livejournal.com
The First evil storyline... the lamest stupidest storyline ever on the show. Joss managed to end the series worse than I thought was humanly possible. (See? I can't stop ranting about season 7 -now look what you've started. ;) )

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-05 03:44 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] grapefruitzzz.livejournal.com
It's pretty late, so I'll just be lazy and say I agree with everything you said.
Which is pretty rare for two BTVS fans :D

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-05 10:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
Yay :D

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-05 06:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bleach226.livejournal.com
I *love* the Spike/Faith scene *so* much.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-05 10:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
I liked their interaction as friends in that scene, they did have a lot in common. But wasn't seeing the sexual chemistry the writers were try to sell. Buffy discovering them was cute though :p

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-09 02:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sum1-different.livejournal.com
Eeek, don't get me started on the Spike-Faith interaction. lol And poor Buffy walking in on the two of them, I felt like staking them both. (LOTS of unresolved season 7 issues, as you can see. ;) )

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-05 09:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] --kali--.livejournal.com
Storyteller is probably my favourite of that season...

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-05 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
It was hilarious. We live as God's!

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-09 02:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sum1-different.livejournal.com
I HAAAATED the we live as gods crap and it just made want to STRANGLE that self-indulgent little murderer even more. (I think you can see we don't share opinions on all this stuff. ;) )

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-09 02:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sum1-different.livejournal.com
Dirty Girls was so bad that words can't encompass it. I so HATE that episode. That ep did its damnedest best to wreck the show. The only thing worse was Chosen. And Storyteller... yaaaa. Bloody monstrosity.

Hate Caleb, hate Andrew, hate Faith. Get them off my bleedin show!

And jeez, the whole Spike trigger thing was such a load of crap, like so much else they did with him that season -basement, chaining, tying him to a chair, torture by the first, control by the first, killing innocents, insanity, etc -all just ways for the show to avoid doing real stuff with him. Awful. Drove me up the wall. Total waste of time.

God I hate season 7. The only stuff in it I care about anymore is the Dawn stuff earlier on. Even the spuffy wasn't up to standard -it was so much less than there should have been and too little too late, an insult to spuffy fans.

Ok, I think that's enough ranting for now. :D

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-09 02:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sum1-different.livejournal.com
Well, actually, it proved not enough ranting. Much ranting yet needed doing. But now it seems I've ranted enough to be satisfied. :)

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-09 03:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
Actually I think season 7 gave Spike more of a storyline than most other seasons did. The basement Spike was interesting to me. The torturing by The First was I agree pointless though. It was the boring part of BOTN to me, even made me dislike Dru as she was written :/ And it wasn't even bad torture, it was just sticking his head in water, and the ubervamp knocking him around a few times

And while I did like his role alongside Buffy in Potential, I do think souled Spike began to feel a bit too subdued. Then Get It Done gives him a place again, and there's the building up of his past storyline with Wood. LMPTM is a fantastic look at not only Spike's past, but also sees him being all bad-ass with Wood and establishing souled Spike as very different from Angel.

I agree that Dawn got neglected a bit. Early season 7 had quite a bit of her, but then as The First Evil plot becomes stronger, plot seems to take priority over characterisation work. I thought she was cute with Andrew though, I could have shipped them *ducks from the wrath of [livejournal.com profile] sum1_different *

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-10 02:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sum1-different.livejournal.com
Ship poor Dawn with that.... THING!!!??? ::dumps massive bucket of Angel poo on your head:: See, wrath as requested. ;)

As for the Spike thing, no way do I see any good in the insane Spike. Cliched stupid copout stuff and incredibly annoying. As for LMPTM, it was better than average for an ep of that period, but ultimately it still felt like a poorly thought-out substandard cobbled-together mess like everything else at that point in the season, just less so. So much of season 7 struck me as being done on autopilot, a depressed totally plastered autopilot.