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So Doctor Who was great fun, and a great introduction to Bill :needs to find icons: It was wonderful seeing her reaction to everything, and she and the Doctor already have a very sweet friendship developing. It was a lovely touch that the Doctor went back to take pictures of her Mother after she got him the rug as a Xmas present. Somehow I managed to completely miss that first time around though oops, I thought her seeing the Doctor's face in the background of one of the photos was meant to be there to set up a mystery of her wondering how exactly he happened to be in the photo, so it was a bit of a "oh duh" moment when all the reviews pointed out that it was really just meant to be the Doctor giving Bill a Christmas gift :D

The main plot wasn't the strongest, but it didn't really matter as the episode was all about introducing Bill to the audience, and it did that perfectly. (I mean not that I thought that the plot was that bad either, I've seen a few complaints that it was just a rip-off of The Water Of Mars and Midnight, but it still felt like an original and interesting idea for an episode to me? It's hard not to callback memories of The Water Of Mars when you're using water as your main threat, but the whole puddle thing was hardly a direct rip-off IMO). And the change of settings was really fun as Bill gets a crash course on what the TARDIS can do. The only part that felt a little bit forced to me was when they ended up coming across the Daleks, but apparently that was something to do with them having to tie in with the clip that they had already filmed months earlier?

And then there was the mystery set up with guarding the vault of course, and the Doctor not having travelled in so long, both of which are quite intriguing. (LOL at Bill breezing right past it when the Doctor is waiting for her to agree with him that it doesn't make sense that he looks so young for being a teacher there for 50 years). I'm not sure if the focus on the photo of his granddaughter was meant to signify anything else or not, I first assumed that it was just meant to draw parells with his seeing Bill as a similar protege, but maybe there could be more to it? Either way it was nice to have that callback to the past, as well as the photo of River aww

And major ouch at Clara's theme playing when Bill confronts the Doctor over taking her memories :( :( :( I will never be over it *sobs*

And finally I wasn't a fan of Nardole in the Xmas specials at all, I found him really grating, but he did mostly work for me here as comic-relief (could have done without the toilet humour though. I mean Bill wanting to use the toilet was a funny little moment, but nope to Nardole's response). I wouldn't call him all that essential to the episode either though, he was mostly just there to make sarcastic comments, and he felt a little bit unnecessary at times. But then fans are always asking for a wider variety of companions than just young women from Earth, so I suppose we can't complain too much that they really are trying for something different this time with Nardole *g* I don't think that we've seen yet what made him and the Doctor start travelling together and being friendly, unless I'm forgetting an explanation from the last Xmas special?
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Date: 2017-04-17 03:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_profiterole_/
it was a bit of a "oh duh" moment when all the reviews pointed out that it was really just meant to be the Doctor giving Bill a Christmas gift :D
Oh, nice one! I also thought it was something we'd see in a future episode.

I'm already super fond of Bill! <3

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Date: 2017-04-17 04:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
I think she's going to end up right up there with my favourite companions :D She reminded me a lot of Rose actually, with a little bit of Donna in there as well

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Date: 2017-04-17 03:48 pm (UTC)
elisi: Living in interesting times is not worth it (Nardole)
From: [personal profile] elisi
I don't think that we've seen yet what made him and the Doctor start travelling together and being friendly, unless I'm forgetting an explanation from the last Xmas special?

From The Return of Doctor Mysterio:

DOCTOR: Fact me, baby. It's why I reassembled you.
NARDOLE: No, sir, that's not the reason, is it.
DOCTOR: Oh, just get on with it.
NARDOLE: You cut me out of Hydroflax because you were worried you'd be lonely. And we both know why, don't we. But, oh, look at you, avoiding the subject.
DOCTOR: I'm not avoiding anything, I'm just trying to save a planet.
NARDOLE: Which is what you always do when the conversation turns serious.

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Date: 2017-04-17 03:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
I suspected that I might be forgetting an explanation somewhere, thank you! It feels like they've rewritten Nardole's personality a bit from his initial appearance actually, suddenly he's sarcastic and more on the Doctor's wavelength, whereas he was pretty much written as a shrieking and cowardly fool in The Husband's Of River Song IMO, and there wasn't much else to him

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Date: 2017-04-17 04:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] liliaeth
well keep in mind that if the Doctor's been teaching on this university for over fifty years, then Nardole has been there with him, for those same fifty years. We don't know what Nardole's lifespan might be, but whatever it is, I'd still imagine that a guy would grow a bit more sure of himself (and thus more sarcastic)around an employer/friend/whatever that he's been hanging out with for five decades.

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Date: 2017-04-17 09:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
That's a good point, but it is a bit jarring to me still when we haven't really seen any of that character development since the original Xmas special, so when you compare the episodes he almost comes across as a different character. I wonder if they might incorporate a few flashbacks to that time maybe over the course of the season?

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Date: 2017-04-17 04:11 pm (UTC)
elisi: Living in interesting times is not worth it (Nardole)
From: [personal profile] elisi
As Promethia put it:

' I assume because once you've been beheaded, attached to a robot, and then re-corporealized, you're not gonna find much else surprising.'

I love him really a very great deal, because he is terribly deadpan about everything and has zero patience for the Doctor's shit. He just gets on with it, and tells the Doctor straight when he's being an idiot. :)

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Date: 2017-04-17 05:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bm-shipper.livejournal.com
And major ouch at Clara's theme playing when Bill confronts the Doctor over taking her memories :( :( :( I will never be over it *sobs*

What's sad is that he doesn't even know it WAS done to him. And in this connection Bill asking "how would you feel if someone did that to you?" was kind of bittersweet because even if it HAD happened to him, he wouldn't know. The audience does, he doesn't.

I read today in an article that Peter might already leave by the end of the season - not after the xmas special - and that Bill will only be there one season either, so obviously they wanna do a "clean cut" with a completely new doctor/companion combination...

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Date: 2017-04-17 09:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
He does talk to Clara in the cafe last season about being aware that he's missing memories of a 'Clara' though, he just has no memories of what kind of a person she was. He looked pretty tortured when Bill asked him to imagine what losing your memories would feel like, so I get the feeling that he is very much aware of those memories that are lost to him :(

And yeah I've read a lot of spec about Bill leaving after this season, I can understand Chris Chibnal wanting the same fresh start that Steven Moffat got, but it would be a real shame to only have the one season with Bill. 'Pilot' already felt like a bit of a reboot anyway through the eyes of Bill, so I'm not sure I want them to do the same thing with a new companion again next year

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Date: 2017-04-17 11:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ragnarok-08.livejournal.com
I love Bill already too:)

And major ouch at Clara's theme playing when Bill confronts the Doctor over taking her memories :( :( :( I will never be over it *sobs*

I felt the same way...

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Date: 2017-04-18 12:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
It still hurts to watch clips from those final episodes :( Hopefully whatever ending Bill eventually gets will tear our hearts out slightly less than Clara and Amy's departures...

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Date: 2017-04-18 07:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eowyn.livejournal.com
I've been wondering about Nardole too. It seems like his body is battery powered or something ... I'm looking forward to getting the backstory to find out what went on there!

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Date: 2017-04-18 10:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
Yep, I'm definitely waiting for a bit more backstory on him, I guess that he comes from a species where the head is detachable?!

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Date: 2017-04-18 07:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ever-neutral.livejournal.com
It was a lovely touch that the Doctor went back to take pictures of her Mother after she got him the rug as a Xmas present.

THE DOCTOR IS A MARSHMALLOW

Midnight is one of my fave horror Who eps, so I was thrilled by the similarities, personally.

And major ouch at Clara's theme playing when Bill confronts the Doctor over taking her memories :( :( :( I will never be over it *sobs*

When Bill was like “how would you feel if someone did that to you?”… !!!!!!!!




I found Nardole highly entertaining in this ep ngl... Defriend me at will. *sweats*

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Date: 2017-04-18 10:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
No defriending necessary, I really didn't find him that bad here! He was a little superfluous at times when I wanted the focus to stay on setting up Bill with the Doctor, but he was definitely not as unbearably irritating as I found him in THORS thankfully

When Bill was like “how would you feel if someone did that to you?”… !!!!!!!!

I know! Peter Capaldi's face when the Doctor hears that :sobs harder:
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Date: 2017-04-19 07:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lyryk.livejournal.com
There's so much that I missed during the first watch, too! I adore Bill, and Capaldi just keeps getting better. I'm going to miss him.

(Oh, and yes to what you said about Nardole; he seems a bit redundant to me.)

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Date: 2017-04-19 10:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
I feel like I need more background on Nardole before I can really feel him as a character and a companion of the doctor's, apparently there was an explanation for his presence in the last Xmas special which completely passed by me, but still at the moment it does feel like he's just sort of there idk

And I'm still not ready to accept that Capaldi is leaving :( With how much of a fan of the show he is, I really hoped that he'd be the first modern Doctor to decide to stay for 4 or 5 years

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Date: 2017-04-19 12:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] smithkingsley.livejournal.com
Maybe he'll be one of those characters who's quietly Up To Something in the background while no one's looking. ;-)

Also, I wondered too if Susan's photo has some greater significance. Her name was one of the 'Easter eggs' in the Class premiere too. Two mentions so close together; maybe something's afoot in true Moffat style.

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Date: 2017-04-19 01:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
At first I was assuming that the photo's were just there as continuity nods, but yeah Susan's photo in particular was focused on so much that it does make me wonder if perhaps we'll be seeing a regenerated Susan at some point

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Date: 2017-04-23 08:59 am (UTC)
tinny: Something Else holding up its colorful drawing - "be different" (__dare to be different)
From: [personal profile] tinny
My friend t_eyla made some 10x01 icons here:

https://teyla.dreamwidth.org/350732.html#cutid1

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Date: 2017-04-24 10:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
Awesome, thank you! :)