Barring Faith, all of which happened *after* he did it.
Huh? Based on the Faith incident and the Angel/Darla shennanigans in S2, how AI preached that they help the helpless, how AI preached that they save souls, how Wesley always had the team's back and Wesley considered the team like a family to him, Wesley reasonably expected that the team would be kinder to him than they were or at least, first and foremost concerned with justice and protecting the world instead of punishing and insulting him. He really didn't expect all of that crap that I listed above.
Yes, Wesley didn't want to draft Gunn and Fred into his mission to walk to Holtz's lair, ready to be murdered to defend Angel, or to walk away from his home and job and everything that he loved to raise Connor elsewhere in peace. He didn't want to make Gunn and Fred be complicit in what he knew was a betrayal and sin to take a child. However the fact that Wesley didn't want to draft his friends into a crappy mission and wanted to shoulder it alone, doesn't negate how Wesley held on hope as he was bleeding away that his friends would be forgiving enough and care about him enough to, at least, hear his side of the story.
I agree that it's weird that Wesley doesn't hold a big grudge against for the attempted murder. However, that just feeds directly into my point. Rather than acting like the world owes him a favor, Wesley has utter heroic forbearance and love for his crappy "friends". Wesley could justifiably not lift a finger to help Angel and Cordelia when they disappeared over the summer...but he did. Wesley could have contemptuously called Angel his attempted murderer and most of AI "fans of attempted murder". He could have pitched a fit when Fred and Gunn yelled at him for not giving them prompt updates on his "Save Angel" plan. And on and on. However, Wesley didn't do any of that.
Yes, actually, considering how little mentions her before, during or after.
I don't understand your point. Wesley's first face-to-face conversation with Lilah was about two weeks before they slept together when she started to recruit him to W&H. Lilah was a very important part of Wesley's life in S4. At the end of S4, Wesley learned that he can't rescue Lilah from hell because her hellish flames will continue burning because they'll never consume anything. Moreover, Wesley learned that Lilah accepts her fate.
Then, I don't get what Wesley is supposed to do. Lilah is dead, she's in hell. Lilah accepts it, Wesley can't change it since W&H owns her soul and has it all rigged. As described before, Wesley's "friends" (and I use sarcastic quote marks) don't really care to help him mourn Lilah. Actually, Angel did recognize that Wesley was in a lot of pain since Lilah died and offered a little sympathy. Fred was jealous and pissy and got upset when Wesley started mourning aloud. Gunn doesn't care about Wesley's feelings. It's not like Wesley has anyone to discuss Lilah with. Again, he can only quietly move on.
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Date: 2015-02-10 02:19 am (UTC)Huh? Based on the Faith incident and the Angel/Darla shennanigans in S2, how AI preached that they help the helpless, how AI preached that they save souls, how Wesley always had the team's back and Wesley considered the team like a family to him, Wesley reasonably expected that the team would be kinder to him than they were or at least, first and foremost concerned with justice and protecting the world instead of punishing and insulting him. He really didn't expect all of that crap that I listed above.
Yes, Wesley didn't want to draft Gunn and Fred into his mission to walk to Holtz's lair, ready to be murdered to defend Angel, or to walk away from his home and job and everything that he loved to raise Connor elsewhere in peace. He didn't want to make Gunn and Fred be complicit in what he knew was a betrayal and sin to take a child. However the fact that Wesley didn't want to draft his friends into a crappy mission and wanted to shoulder it alone, doesn't negate how Wesley held on hope as he was bleeding away that his friends would be forgiving enough and care about him enough to, at least, hear his side of the story.
I agree that it's weird that Wesley doesn't hold a big grudge against for the attempted murder. However, that just feeds directly into my point. Rather than acting like the world owes him a favor, Wesley has utter heroic forbearance and love for his crappy "friends". Wesley could justifiably not lift a finger to help Angel and Cordelia when they disappeared over the summer...but he did. Wesley could have contemptuously called Angel his attempted murderer and most of AI "fans of attempted murder". He could have pitched a fit when Fred and Gunn yelled at him for not giving them prompt updates on his "Save Angel" plan. And on and on. However, Wesley didn't do any of that.
Yes, actually, considering how little mentions her before, during or after.
I don't understand your point. Wesley's first face-to-face conversation with Lilah was about two weeks before they slept together when she started to recruit him to W&H. Lilah was a very important part of Wesley's life in S4. At the end of S4, Wesley learned that he can't rescue Lilah from hell because her hellish flames will continue burning because they'll never consume anything. Moreover, Wesley learned that Lilah accepts her fate.
Then, I don't get what Wesley is supposed to do. Lilah is dead, she's in hell. Lilah accepts it, Wesley can't change it since W&H owns her soul and has it all rigged. As described before, Wesley's "friends" (and I use sarcastic quote marks) don't really care to help him mourn Lilah. Actually, Angel did recognize that Wesley was in a lot of pain since Lilah died and offered a little sympathy. Fred was jealous and pissy and got upset when Wesley started mourning aloud. Gunn doesn't care about Wesley's feelings. It's not like Wesley has anyone to discuss Lilah with. Again, he can only quietly move on.