Lol I guess that it would have worked for you more if you watched and enjoyed the spin-off, I was just frustrated with how it didn't really make a lot of allowances for those that are only following PLL. I didn't really understand any of his character arc tbh because it just seemed like a lot of confusing supernatural stories that he was telling Hanna. I would have felt the same way if on say The Vampire Diaries we had characters like Klaus and Rebekah returning with huge amounts of plot exposition from The Originals, just because I feel like shows should stand alone and not oblige you to watch the spin-off just to follow what's going on (which I couldn't with Ravenswood anyway because it's not included on UK iTunes *g*). But I guess that they had to do something with that to be fair, if major things had been affecting Caleb on the other show, it sounds like their hands were tied as they weren't originally planning for Caleb to return to TvD full-time of the spin-off had taken off
And agreed on everything with Ezra and Aria. It's especially frustrating when it seems like a lot of viewers would have been on-board with it? I don't doubt that they have their fans, but on articles for the show I'm reading there seems to be a lot of disgust for Ezra in the readers comments, so I'm wondering how much of it is about fearing audience reaction, or if it's just that the writers themselves romantise that character and don't want to lose the relationship? It reminds me a little bit of Gossip Girl when a lot of the audience were hostile towards Chuck/Blair by the end, they always has that hardcore group of shipper support, but the majority seemed to have soured on them in seasons 4/5. I always felt like it was the writer Stephanie Savage herself who was so into Chuck and so into that couple getting a happy ending, because she herself was romantising the story that she'd been telling. Could that also be a factor with Ezra and Aria maybe? I'm just not feeling all that much support for them from the general audience, although admittedly I've not been that exposed to the fandom
And it confused me a little with Toby actually because at first it was presented as him obviously being A and Spencer feeling very betrayed, then after the fake-out with her believing that he was dead, it just all seemed to shift to her believing that obviously he wasn't the main A and he was just working with them because of ~reasons~. Which made more sense, but then why didn't Spencer address that in the first place when she first found out and confronted Toby, and then why did she just change her mind about him being A for real before even getting his explanation? Like I think it's a little bit open for Toby for not to have been completely sincere there because it was pretty shady the way that he just took off after Spencer found out about him visiting Radley, and then was missing for weeks and leaving Spencer to believe that he was A, like why not just confide in Spencer and secretly work with her from when she first found out what was going on, instead of leaving it until Spencer is a complete mess and ending up in a catatonic state? We never really got that moment of him talking Spencer round, once she believed that Mona had killed him she just seemed to completely change her mind on Toby's motives off her own bat, but there is still a possibility there of him not being all that he seems?
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Date: 2014-12-02 11:57 am (UTC)And agreed on everything with Ezra and Aria. It's especially frustrating when it seems like a lot of viewers would have been on-board with it? I don't doubt that they have their fans, but on articles for the show I'm reading there seems to be a lot of disgust for Ezra in the readers comments, so I'm wondering how much of it is about fearing audience reaction, or if it's just that the writers themselves romantise that character and don't want to lose the relationship? It reminds me a little bit of Gossip Girl when a lot of the audience were hostile towards Chuck/Blair by the end, they always has that hardcore group of shipper support, but the majority seemed to have soured on them in seasons 4/5. I always felt like it was the writer Stephanie Savage herself who was so into Chuck and so into that couple getting a happy ending, because she herself was romantising the story that she'd been telling. Could that also be a factor with Ezra and Aria maybe? I'm just not feeling all that much support for them from the general audience, although admittedly I've not been that exposed to the fandom
And it confused me a little with Toby actually because at first it was presented as him obviously being A and Spencer feeling very betrayed, then after the fake-out with her believing that he was dead, it just all seemed to shift to her believing that obviously he wasn't the main A and he was just working with them because of ~reasons~. Which made more sense, but then why didn't Spencer address that in the first place when she first found out and confronted Toby, and then why did she just change her mind about him being A for real before even getting his explanation? Like I think it's a little bit open for Toby for not to have been completely sincere there because it was pretty shady the way that he just took off after Spencer found out about him visiting Radley, and then was missing for weeks and leaving Spencer to believe that he was A, like why not just confide in Spencer and secretly work with her from when she first found out what was going on, instead of leaving it until Spencer is a complete mess and ending up in a catatonic state? We never really got that moment of him talking Spencer round, once she believed that Mona had killed him she just seemed to completely change her mind on Toby's motives off her own bat, but there is still a possibility there of him not being all that he seems?