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I wish they hadn't written Elena as a "mean girl sidekick" with the sass and the bitchiness, my favourite period was immediately after Jeremy died when you see Elena looking half-dead in the opening teaser when she goes and lies on the road to attack someone, says "I don't feel anything", and afterwards tells Damon that "I thought this was supposed to be fun" as she walks off still looking like an emotionless zombie. Nina did a fabulous job with that emotionally dead inside Elena who I could really believe in having all the emotion drained right out of her, but ever since it just feels like all the writers know what to do with switched off Elena is write her as a second-rate Katherine. I was really excited for the possibilites at first, but when they brought Katherine back into town at around the same time as well, eh I just didn't find myself enjoying the period of switched-off Elena as much as I thought I would

LOL The torture was just as confusing as I thought it would be with Stefan and Damon being all happy that Elena felt rage or that she was being "downright vindictive", even though that's exactly how she's been acting with the switch off all along. The torture didn't achieve much just as I'd expected, it was losing a friend that really got Elena feeling again. Just as torture never worked on Stefan in season 3, I don't know why the show keeps acting like torture does achieve anything. And I can't with Damon sat there nodding wisely as Elena talks about how she gets now that turning her switch off was a mistake, who was the one that told her to do in the first place, how come that doesn't even get brought up???

Oh and the episode was kind of hyped to me as a Stelena episode and heavy with the foreshadowing, but when I watched it I didn't feel it was particularly shippy for either couple? It seemed more like they were trying to avoid saying anything about Stelena or Delena by making Elena's emotion instead focus on her rage at Katherine ~~she had better not kill Katherine though!~~

Caroline was so cute this episode with her Matt project hee and her loyalty to Elena, and FINALLY a Liz and Caroline scene :D

And I am so sick of how needy Rebecca constantly has to be around Matt. Like okay fine running them off the bridge was bad, I'm on-board with that, but it wasn't like she was doing it for giggles! She was trying to kill Alariac to order to save her family's life, you'd think that Elena and her friends of all people would understand putting your loved ones first. Elena is the one that killed thousands of vampires that she didn't even know in order to protect Jeremy :shrugs: I'm just tired of 17 year old Matt Donovan constantly condescending to a Original vampire who is a thousand years old, not to mention the way she puts up with it and seems to see Matt as her role model on how to be human again

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In all my Katherine/Elena rage, I forgot how ridicu the Rebekah stuff is. YOU'RE AN ORIGINAL! Why not just kill Matt already?! UGH.

It's pathetic the way she seems to view Matt as her role model for being human so she'll let him constantly walk all over her, exactly the way he once condescended too and dismissed Caroline! Urgh I really dislike the writers blind spot for that character, he is such a judgemental douche, yet the way the show presents it he's the most pure and wonderous human being ever

And urgh if Elena does kill Katherine I am very likely to just skip next season entirely, unless I hear REALLY good things about it. It's not like the actress isn't available lol, so it would be such a waste to not keep Katherine around for an occasional visit each season

I'm not sure what would interest me in next seasno with no Kat. I really like Tyler/Caroline, but is he even for sure for next season yet?

From what I've heard he's not coming back as a regular, but who knows with this show? I'm sure there will be occasional visits from him no matter what, but really with Klaus off on the spin-off it doesn't make any sense not to bring Tyler back full-time, especially with the smaller cast next year anyway

FINALLY a Liz and Caroline scene :D

LOL I was like, write a meta rant and thou shalt receive. LOL

And I totally agree with all your other thoughts- why the hell does Rebekah feel so insecure and indebted to to these selfish assholes who've staked two of her brothers? Heck, Matt was the one who offed Finn. Premeditated murder and everything. And I hate how people still slag Caroline for wanting to help, for having strategies for success. She just needs to leave town with Tyler and Liz. *side eye*

It's really sad how much plot has taken focus over characters this year, I can't believe it's even taken this long to get a Liz and Caroline scene after all the focus the relationship got in the first two seasons

And yep, I forgot Finn! That just makes it even more hilariously tragic that Matt gets to judge Rebekah for killing Elena, but she can't say one word to him about his premeditated plan to kill her brother. And Finn wasn't even killing or doing anything wrong, they set out to kill him purely because his death would kill Klaus, so they've got some nerve to judge Rebekah for having a similar plan of killing Elena to kill the direct threat that Alaric presented to her and her family

Yes, they targeted Finn because he was the weakest link in the chain, not due to his ~heinous ness. Ugh, I hate how they keep erasing and minimizing the bad deeds of the protagonists. THAT IS SUCH COWARDLY WRITING AND IT MAKES THEM LOOK WORSE. *facepalm*

And it's funny how Elena especially kept worrying about whether it was moral to let Elijah die in order to kill Klaus, yet when it came to Finn not a single fuck was given, even though everything we were told about him suggested that he was way more moral than Elijah and hadn't killed anyone in centuries

She didn't even kill Kol to protect Jeremy, she set a trap for him so that they could quickly get Jeremy's tattoo completed.

Honestly, I'm just tired of Matt all together. I'm also tired of Rebekah coming around and kissing up to the guy who killed her brother. And then she has the nerve to say that Klaus didn't even like his siblings.

I have issues.

Honestly, I'm just tired of Matt all together.

Ditto. I've never brought the nice guy act they keep trying to sell with him, he constantly judged Caroline when they were dating too, and the more they push this Rebekah ship the more I dislike it because it brings out all of Matt's most unattractive qualities. The writers really seem to have some weird need to see Rebekah constantly knocked down almost, it's so weird the way that she alone gets constantly shamed, even though she follows the exact same mindset that all of the characters have that it's okay to commit wrong acts in order to protect your loved ones

I couldn't stand how he treated Caroline and I feel like screaming when someone says that Matt helped her become a better person. She became a better person *in spite of* her relationship with Matt, IMO.

I still mentally sneer when I think of how he was mad at her for being jealous of him and Elena when he was clearly not over Elena.

Sad thing is, Matt and Maroline have soured me against Steroline.

Also, I may have some issues with Rebekah and how she seems to have moved on from Kol's death yet bags on Klaus for supposedly not liking Kol, but I can't hate her for running Matt and Elena off the bridge. She did what needed to be done to save what was left of her family and, by extension, all vampires.

I feel like screaming when someone says that Matt helped her become a better person.

WTF...people actually say this??? I despair for humanity sometimes, I really do.

She became a better person *in spite of* her relationship with Matt, IMO.

YES.

IMO, Caroline has become a better person in spite of everyone around her. The only person I give any credit to is Stefan, and that's just for believing in her when no one, not even Caroline herself, did.

I have strong feelings when it comes to Caroline.

I feel like screaming when someone says that Matt helped her become a better person.

LOL! Yeah no, all Matt ever did was make the insecure part of Caroline worse by making it clear in subtle ways that she would never measure up to Elena for him, and then constantly made her feel like crap by complaining about her jealousy and her flaws. I haven't forgotten either how he never said one word in Caroline's defense when his mother insulted her to her face and called her the rebound girl. And the thing is that if he gave the sense that he really valued Caroline then he could easily have shut that down, just as Tyler did with Carol when she called Caroline a prostitute in early season 2 and he quietly but firmly made it clear that he expected his partner to be treated with respect. Buut Tyler didn't say anything in defense of Vicki being called "trash" by his mother in 104, and that's pretty similar to how Matt handled the conflict with his mother and Caroline when he just looked uncomfortable and said probably not when she asked if he was really serious about lezzie Forbe's daughter being the one. I bet he would never have stood for it if Elena was the one being insulted

And yeah the way Originals are handled can be odd, sometimes the writers are all gung-ho about what an incredibly close family they are, yet when Finn and Kol are killed off after hundreds of years of them all being a family there's not nearly the reaction that you would expect.

Elijah, for me, was the biggest disappointment. He actually consoled the woman who helped kill his brother over the loss of her brother who was there killing him with her. Just... no!

Of course, I'm still upset that he dares to judge Katherine for becoming the woman that he helped Klaus make her become in order to survive.

I just want Kol back. And Finn as well, though I want him to grow his hair back out.

Elijah was who I was thinking of when I wrote that! For someone who was so desperate to see his family again at the end of season 2 that he threw away all sense of caution, his lack of reaction to Kol's death makes very little sense. I find the way he's play a bit cold sometimes though, he doesn't have much chemistry with Rebekah either and I'm never quite sold on their sibling bond. And lol I don't care so much about Finn, but it would be nice to get Kol back definitely :P

And don't even get me started on the confusing way that Elijah and Katherine have been handled. Okay so he fell for human Katherine when the original plan was to use her as a sacrifice for Klaus, and so thought that he might be able to come up with a plan to spare her life and still have Klaus use her in the sacrifice, BUT when Katherine found out about their plans for her and ran for her life it was Elijah who was hunting her down over the centuries. Trever was the one who protected Katherine and lost his head for it, yet in season four it seems to be presented as Elijah being the one to have protected Katherine and now needing to learn to trust her. What even! Katherine really gets a raw deal when you look at her very natural reactions to all of the shit she got put through as a human, that Klaus killed her entire family, yet the other characters acts like she's just evil for kicks. I said in someone elses LJ today that it's kind of ridiculous how Katherine is now to be killed by Elena for killing Jeremy in order to get the cure, yet Damon snapped the kid's neck right in front of Elena just because he was having a tantrum over Katherine at the time, and somehow moments like that never get held against him the same way that Katherine and Rebekah constantly have their sins dragged up over and over again

Females in general get a raw deal on this show. If I didn't love Caroline and Liz (and Klaus, I admit) so much, I would have dumped this show so fast.

Honestly I sometimes question why I'm still watching *g* I'm just hoping they will rebound next season as a lot of shows seem to have a shitty fourth season for some reason

I question why I watch, and then I see something like last night's scene with Caroline and Liz, and I remember.

Yeah it's always the character moments that draw me back in, I just wish the show had remembered the characters a little more this year in all of their plot excitment. Elena barely got any character POV this season because they were so excited about finding a sirebond way of pushing Delena and the triangle, never mind that it left the audience questioning whether your main character is even speaking for herself for nearly an entire season. Something like that should have had 5-6 episodes devoted to it max, but everything has been so dragged out and dreary this year

I hate the sire bond so very much. It's not just because it's with a ship that I can't stand, but also because it's just gross and nasty, and half the fandom doesn't realize / refuses to acknowledge that Elena has had absolutely no free agency for most of the season.

It's very confusing to me because it seems so badly thought-out. Like if Elena's free will has been taken away so that she has to do whatever would make Damon happy, that's actually a really really huge deal! But it's just kind of been hanging there all season and they still haven't really defined whether or not it actually exists. Some viewers argue that it doesn't of course, but all I know is that it's felt like Elena's voice has been missing for most of the season and it would be nice to have some kind of explanation on what is going on with that whole plot. The thing with her falling for Damon doesn't bother me as much actually because late season 3 did establish a clear attraction on Elena's part, it's mostly how quickly Elena lost all feelings for Stefan and found herself completely in love with Damon that confuses me. While the sire bond is hanging there it's really hard to know if that's meant to be a part of her actual characterisation or if it's just the sirebond affecting how she feels, but they really shouldn't have compromised their main characters POV for an entire season near enough and made it so that viewers aren't even sure how much free will she has

Edited Date: 2013-05-03 06:41 pm (UTC)

I don't honestly see how anyone can argue that the sire bond doesn't exist... It's the reason she could only drink straight from a human and could only drink bagged once Damon told her to. That alone confirms its existence. Caroline gave a run down of the evidence, and Plec confirmed that it existed and that Elena only had the 'illusion of free will'.

Basically, I don't trust anything that came from Elena's mouth from the time she completed transition until Damon forced her to flip her humanity switch. This whole season was absolutely ridiculous.

Yeah the blood bags convinced me that it existed too, but the way they developed it after that has been so half-assed that I don't know what the writers are trying to say with it these days

The torture was just as confusing as I thought it would be with Stefan and Damon being all happy that Elena felt rage or that she was being "downright vindictive", even though that's exactly how she's been acting with the switch off all along.

I KNOW. They weren't getting through to her. This whole "switch off = no emotions" thing is rubbish.

She was trying to kill Alariac to order to save her family's life, you'd think that Elena and her friends of all people would understand putting your loved ones first.

Yep. Like, I get that Matt and Elena wouldn't exactly be happy with her for it, but as far as Rebekah's many crimes go, this one was probably the most justifiable. It certainly should be from the protagonists' perspective since they operate in exactly the same way.

I just hate the way Rebekah is reduced as a character around Matt. I want to see her get away from all the high school crap when she goes to the spin-off.

It's so confusing to me that the show keeps presenting torturing a vampire as a viable way to get though to their humanity, just wtf!

And I really don't get why they keep pushing Matt and Rebekah as much as they do, it seems like such a non-starter of a ship and it does nothing but humiliate Rebekah's character when she keeps crawling to him for approval

it just feels like all the writers know what to do with switched off Elena is write her as a second-rate Katherine

Yeah. Katherine is Katherine with her switch on. That's just how she IS. But Elena is like Katherine lite with her switch off. IDK, I'm not a fan of how Elena with her switch off has been done.

I'm disappointed because, like I said, the opening teaser for 416 made it look like it was going to be really interesting, but to just have her as a snarkier version of herself and wanting to hurt her friends seems like a weird way of handling a character having no emotion, shouldn't she just not care about those people one way or the other if she feels nothing? Then once they brought Katherine back all of the appeal of switched-off Elena was lost to me. It's a shame because Nina did a really good in in 515/516 and, through no fault of hers, this plot ultimately didn't end up showcasing her range so much as making it look kind of limited when two individual characters were played exactly the same almost.

516 seemed so promising with having Elena not herself but still distinctly different from Katherine as a vampire, there was just something subtly off about her when the writers were first trying to trick is into thinking the sire bond worked on getting her to school and being normal, you could hear the deadness her voice which made a brilliant contrast to Katherine, but then once she got all mean girls with the cheerleaders it was all over

Edited Date: 2013-05-03 08:59 pm (UTC)

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