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Lois. Or that's who I'm hoping for at least.

Man I'm bummed that Sam isn't returning though. Gah! WHY MUST HE BE SO AWESOME?!

I know! I was really unsure after losing Lex, but Davis basically made the season, and he's been a huge hit with the fandom. I can't believe he's only getting the 12 episodes :/

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Why would it be Tess? She still qualifies as a newbie on the show, not a vet - which I assume is what this spoiler is referring to - the death spoilers, and not the spoiler about someone leaving...oh dear, now I'm confused. I figured the spoiler about someone leaving was required by the story and not a permanent departure like this suggests.

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Ausiello was pretty definite on both deaths being permanent, so I think this spoiler has to tie in to Davis and one other character in the opening credits getting killed off

I think Tess is safe now as " One of the characters qualifies as a "veteran," and the other, "not so much." " With it being as good as confirmed that Davis is one of the characters to go, that pretty much puts Tess out the running (plus they'll need her as the villain for season 9, using the mansion set, being a connection to where Lex left off etc).

We know it's not Clark or Chloe obviously as they both have contracts for season 9. I can't remember if they signed Aaron yet or not? And nothing has been said about Erica's contract. So I think the only possible candidates have to be either Lois or Jimmy? Or at a stretch I guess it could be Ollie, although I wouldn't say he qualifies as a veteran really. Plus Justin has a separate contract with the CW I believe, I heard he's not paid through SV's budget, so not signing him for season 9 wouldn't necessarily save any money?

Edited Date: 2009-04-03 11:52 am (UTC)

This was the news I was waiting for. Okay, I'm ready to believe the second death spoiler might be for reals now.

I have no idea who is going. I'm afraid Lois is too good to be true. I don't want to get my hopes up.

Lois makes the most sense to me at the moment I think. Would they really write Jimmy off with a life threatening injury for quite a few episodes, and then bring him back only to kill him in the finale... They could have just had him heroically die in Bride protecting Chloe or something if they wanted to lose the character. Instead they've really knocked the character down with the drugs, losing Chloe, and quitting the DP. That points more to setting up a plot for him to redeemn himself next year IMO, it would be pretty depressing to kill him off after all that.

Erica definitely qualifies more as a veteran, plus her contract status has been left murky, and I would imagine negotiations would be pretty costly at this point after she's been a regular for four seasons and her contract is running out this year? Justin has a deal with the CW anyway so they'd save nothing there, and I wouldn't have thought that Aaron makes that much considering he only became a regular in season 7, but re-signing Erica might cost money that they don't have now they've got Tom's new contract as well. And the 12 episodes this year don't exactly point to Lois being considered a priority over the budget. They've never cut her episode count down before either (season 7 being a 20 episode year not counting), so what if they're planning something similiar to what they did with Kristin, and they wrote her out of episode 21 at the last minute to save one of her episodes for the final season. My mind is running wild :P

People seem to think it's ludicorous to believe they would kill off Lois Lane, or even have her move away, but Lex Luthor is a major comics canon character who was still written out when negotiations didn't work out. The show found a way to go on without Lex, so I don't know why it's being assumed that there's absolutely no possibility that Lois could be killed. There's probably a lot of wishful thinking in there too hee, but I'm willing to consider either possibility at the moment. I'd say Clark and Chloe are the only ones definitely safe as they're the two we've had confirmed have a contract for season 9

ETA Plus for all the assumptions on DC would never allow the killing of Lois Lane, haven't they pretty much come out recently saying they consider SV to be an elseworld, and the show is free to do what they like as far as they're concerned? All the top secrecy of who is dying would also tie in with Action meta last season of planning the twist that no one would see coming

Edited Date: 2009-04-03 02:20 pm (UTC)

There are definite reasons to get rid of Lois. They've never been able to write her into the episodes well, she and Chloe serve pretty much the same purpose, and ED is by far the weakest actor in the cast. ED's contract being up and the budget cuts may very well force them to do what they need/want to do.

But this show is an exercise in disappointment. I just can't get my hopes up.

There's probably a lot of wishful thinking in there too hee, but I'm willing to consider either possibility at the moment.

I meant that as in my own wishful thinking of where the show is going to go with Lois :)

I think Chloe is the most obvious choice because of all the build up. They tied up her Daily Planet and Isis storylines, her marriage to Jimmy. Her big storyline this year is intertwined with Davis and he's a goner. So I can see it playing out as Beauty and the Beast scenario where she thinks she can help him control Doomsday, but in the end it will all go terribly wrong.
They made her a Watchtower, so with all the JLA/Legion spoilers for the finale, I can see that playing into it. To give her the big heroic send off.
As there were apparently some rewrites it also might not be two characters that die anymore, so it could be that Rokk takes her to the future with him? It would also explain why there's no mention of her in history books.
Also, it would have the biggest impact on most characters in season 9 - Clark, Lois and Jimmy would all have to deal with it.

Clark will probably die in fight with Davis, but that can't stick.
I just think it will be a bloodbath. They planned this as a possible series finale, and they probably wanted something really big. Plus, this is Doomsday, they have to make him a badass in the finale, and killing only Clark (especially since the Blur isn't such a big, well known hero yet, so it won't make such a big impact like it did in the comics) just doesn't seem dramatic enough.

I also think Tess might be in danger. She knows way too much.
But I don't think there's a chance they'd write off both Tess and Chloe, because that would leave only Lois from female characters.

I think Lois and Jimmy are safe. There was not enough build up for them to be the ones killed off, even if you ignore the whole mythos thing.
Same with Ollie. Plus, he's the JLA connection, and they get Justin for free (thanks to his CW contract).
Though if Chloe is written off I could see Jimmy going away for awhile to take some time off and grieve/get his shit together.

Then again, Ausiello's spoiler about two permanent deaths doesn't make sense anymore after his last hint. Or it all depends on his definition of a vet.

Edited Date: 2009-04-03 03:18 pm (UTC)

I'm skeptical about the hints that the show drops because they always play with the fans over Chloe's death. I remember K-site poll had a huge majority predicting Chloe's death in Reckonning, people never feel she is safe because she's not part of the comics. And the Splinter commentary saw them laughing during the "I'd die before I'd ever betray you" hug about c'mon how could we ever kill Chloe, and admitting they throw in scenes like that to mess with the fans. Chloe not being part of the comics is always seen her fans panic about her role in the show, but if anything I feel that most of the writers treat Chloe as a huge favourite of theirs in terms of screentime and storylines (perhaps because they have more freedom with their own original character)

Plus several sources sources have confirmed that Allison's negotiations were for seasons 8 and 9, and even people like Kristin Kreuk (who would have no reason to cover anything up) have spoken of Allison being signed for season 9. It would be very expensive for them to buy Allison out of her contract, whereas we still have no word on Erica's contract, and I don't *think* we know about Aaron's yet either?

I try to ignore the hints and go by what's happening story-wise on the show this year.
If anything, the hints are a bit overkill this year when it comes to Chloe dying, we saw her murdered by Doomsday twice (in Infamous and Jimmy's hallucination episode after that; and then almost thanks to Zatanna). But then again, it's been obvious since season 1 finale that Lex will one day kill Lionel, or that Jonathan will one day die after he made that deal with Jor-El to bring Clark home - so the show was never really subtle.
I just think as far as storylines go, they always give a character that is being written off a big send off - Jonathan became Senator, Lionel had the whole Veritas thing. And Chloe is in the middle of Doomsday storyline this year, while all other storylines, except for Watchtower one, are being ended. So if she's here in season 9 she'll have Watchtower job. And while I love JLA, Ollie and the guys can not be in all 22 episodes, and Clark just does not need back up all the time. It's a good storyline for her, but it's also rather limited when it comes to how they could use her. So unless they come up with yet another love interest story for Chloe in season 9 (and seriously, do they want to turn her into Lana 2.0 any more?), they'd struggle to incorporate her in season 9.
Then again, they seem to have built Watchtower set, so that might mean Chloe is safe. Then again, maybe not, it could be used with Ollie alone as well. So who knows.

When it comes to Lois, the reason why I'm pretty sure she's not going anywhere is because they cut down her episodes on purpose in second part of the season. They decided to focus on wrapping up Davis and Chloe story, and Doomsday arc. If Lois was going anywhere (either being killed or written off) they'd set up some kind of exit, it's what Smallville always does.
Not only that, but she was supposed to be in episode 21 (they confirmed it to Craig, right?), but then they changed their mind. To me it even looks more like they're trying to save cash this season, to be able to pay Erica for more episodes next year.
As for her contract, we think she might not have signed yet, but we do not know. Matt at TV Guide hinted that she signed, he said something along the lines "just don't ask me about Erica's contract, you know you're suppose to be guessing who lives and who dies in he finale" (quote by memory, so not 100% correct).
But even without that, I don't think contracts are such a big deal for them.
John had a contract for next season yet they wrote Lionel off.
It could be very expensive for them to buy Allison out of her contract, but it depends what was in the contract to begin with. Maybe they had an option to use her for just one year, or they could decide mutually to end it.
My point being that it doesn't matter who's signed and who isn't, the only person who really matters is Tom, when it comes to everyone else they can always come to some sort of agreement.

And last, I realize that this all sounds really Chloe-negative. :/ Sorry, I didn't intend to come of against your favourite character, especially at your own LJ. But when I base my speculations on previous examples, Davis, Chloe and Tess just end up looking like characters who are the most in danger at the moment.

Oh no worries, I haven't been left scarred by a different opinion yet *g*

To me it even looks more like they're trying to save cash this season, to be able to pay Erica for more episodes next year.

That's what I was wondering with the cutting one of her episodes off. Because if Erica gets paid the same sum whether she does 12 or 13 episodes, then I was wondering if they lost an episode in order to carry it over into season 9. But if she gets paid according to the episodes she does only, then that could be more about saving money on the budget. I just question why they would have spend the money they did on signing Allison. If Allison was asking for as much money as has been rumoured, I would have expected them to cut their losses and moved Lois into the position of full-time regular if that's when they were planning for their final season anyway.

When it comes to Lois, the reason why I'm pretty sure she's not going anywhere is because they cut down her episodes on purpose in second part of the season. They decided to focus on wrapping up Davis and Chloe story, and Doomsday arc. If Lois was going anywhere (either being killed or written off) they'd set up some kind of exit, it's what Smallville always does.

And hmm that's true, and I think she's missing from both episodes 20 and 21 too? So not a lot of build-up for a death. I'm starting to lean towards the idea that it could be Jimmy now. Maybe him ultimately meeting some tragic fate at the hands of Doomsday as he has had quite a meaty plot this year which could be leading up to a final confrontation there.

And on the subject of whether it could be Chloe, I don't know if you've seen this link?

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/Smallvillefreak/news/?a=6871

But apparently they've very excited about the new watchtower set, put a lot of work into it, and it will be a huge part of next season. So I don't think that they've necessarily closed off all of Chloe's storylines as they've only just set her up as watchtower.

Oh and also this quote: " "Chloe? You think they're gonna kill Chloe?" It was such a natural reaction to the statement that i don't think he realised what he said and I do think it was an honest reaction. After said statement I began to hope again that Chloe won't meet her doom" kind of fits with what I'm expecting at the moment. Because with people on the show, there always seems to be that reaction of wow the fans actually think we might kill Chloe, does not compute.

Edited Date: 2009-04-05 10:02 pm (UTC)

I think all logical signs point to Lois and I've never believed that this show would ever do anything I wanted it to, ever.

Out of all the choices left for death, I'm pretty sure she's the only one who technically qualifies as a series vet. She's been in five seasons and billed as a regular in four of those. As opposed to AA and JH who only popped into the credits fairly recently. I've heard JH is paid through the CW so cutting him wouldn't exactly affect their final budget and I'm assuming they need to free up extra money because I'm assuming they spent a bunch to somehow lure TW back for another season. So it only makes sense that they would cut someone who has a higher salary. And with ED's contract up for negotiation at the end of this season....I'm sure she'd want a pay increase and possibly more episodes and I doubt the show has the money for that.

Besides the fact that they have had numerous opportunties to up ED's episodes and yet have never done so. In fact she only got like 12 this year instead of 13, didn't she? It doesn't point to them having a whole lot to do with her character. Especially since they wasted a whole episode of ED on a Chloe-centric episode, not Lois. So really that's like only 11 Lois episodes.

I've never trusted the show do to things that made creative sense but it just makes business sense that ED/Lois would be the one to cut.

And with ED's contract up for negotiation at the end of this season....I'm sure she'd want a pay increase and possibly more episodes and I doubt the show has the money for that.

Yeah I figure she's their most expensive part-timer at the moment, and that's probably why they didn't sign her for a full season this year. Plus Erica has been hopeful for extra episodes so, when it comes to negotiating her new contract, I could see her people asking for a full season or she's walking. That could see the PTB bulk at the money it will cost now they have Tom signed under his new contract as well (plus please please putting some aside for Michael in the finale *crosses fingers and toes*)

And Allison was asking for *a lot* more money, so they could have dropped her for season 8 and made Lois full-time, instead they negotiated with Allison and fought the CW for her. So I find it hard to believe they're setting Erica up to be their main female lead next year when they kept her at 12 episodes this year. I mean just the 12 episodes alone (after 5 seasons now) points to there being some budget issue there. I would have expected them to give her a full season and build up her importance this year if they planned to move her into the position of female lead. Instead Chloe got the Brainiac story, the Chimmy marriage, and the Doomsday storyline, and Lois didn't really get her own plot seperate from DP comedy with Clark

In fact she only got like 12 this year instead of 13, didn't she?

Yep she was originally part of 21, and was then written out I believe. I'm not sure if she only gets paid for the episodes she actually does, or a lump sum for the whole 12-13 each season? Because if they don't save money that way, it seems kind of not pointless not to use her for her full 13, unless they're planning to hold one of the episodes back for the final season? They pretty much did that with Kristin when they gave her time off in return for getting her back for the episodes she missed in season 8

It's totally pessimistic of me and I'll be happy if it doesn't happen, but I did vote Chloe.

Because I want Allison away from this show, heh, and I want stop wanting to watch. And I never get what I want from them and Lois dying/leaving is what I want.

Gag, too many uses of the word "want", dammit.

Ausiello has come out with a hint saying

"The person dying is n** C***e" ;)

At the end of the day it probably won't be either Chloe or Lois though LOL, but some character like Jimmy that won't affect things much one way or the other. Plus this is SV, sometimes they actually plan for deaths to stick, and they still get the character back... SV isn't known for changing the status quo much, so everyone is probably building their hopes up for nothing whether for Chloe or Lois getting written out, but we'll just have to watch and see I guess *g*

Well Chloe isn't dying so were one step closer to Lois dying. lol.

Hee yeah, I'm rooting for Lois too *g*

I wonder if Craig's spoiler is more about a third character leaving the show, as opposed to the second character who's supposed to die. I think they've set Jimmy up to a point where he could go to rehab and get himself together. He's had a horrible year, this would be a way of giving him redemption.

That said, I think the second death is Lois. She's close to hitting all her dreams.

Ausiello did say that both deaths would be permanent though, so I've been assuming Craig's spoiler of another character leaving the opening credits (along with Davis) must tie in with that

I wouldn't be surprised if they also wrote Jimmy off into rehab or something, although would his departure really count as a noteworthy spoiler if he was to return for his 12-13 episodes later on? Sending him to rebab would be similar to writing him and Lois out after Bride to fit in with their contracts, rather than losing his character from the opening credits for good

I've gone with Tess. Mainly because I really really really don't want it to be Chloe. Allison and her portrayal of Chloe are the biggest reason to watch the show (followed closely by Justin/Oliver who I don't want to die either).

But I was wondering, would they still consider someone like Annette/Martha as a vet? If so maybe she might be a consideration for offing by Doomsday?

And poor Sam :(

Aww I know, it's sad to think we only got 12 episodes of him, it wouldn't be so bad if it were closer to 16-18 episodes even :/

I don't think it can be Tess because Ausiello's spoiler was that the two people dying permanently would be a veteran and the other not so much. So if Davis is one of the characters going, Tess can't be the other as it has to be a veteran.

I've wondered about Lana or Martha, but there's been no spoilers on Kristin returning again for the finale, and honestly I don't think Annette would at this point. So the only way they could kill them off would be off-screen through a phone call or something, and IMO that would be too anti-climatic when you consider how they're building up so much secrecy for the finale

Edited Date: 2009-04-06 02:58 pm (UTC)

Craig clarified so I'm guessing Sam will be back next season, yay!

I voted for Lois, that's who I'm hoping it will be. Also, I can see Jimmy going off to rehab.

Craig clarified so I'm guessing Sam will be back next season, yay!

Wait he is, I thought Craig was saying that Sam would one of the ones to leave the opening credits? It would be awesome if we could keep Davis for next year though *g*

Edited Date: 2009-04-06 02:46 pm (UTC)

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