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Why do people expect spoiler warnings for every little thing? It's now got to where we can't even mention a future episode title for Smallville without people calling it a spoiler wtf.

So long as you don't know every plot point, I don't get how something like an episode title is going to ruin it for people so much. I mean there's always been trailers released to tease what's going to happen, and now the internet has made it so that knowing any little thing has ruined everything for you. Really now

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Honestly, I don't get it either - especially when most titles are so uninformative. But I've definitely seen people get overly pissy when someone uses a future episode title without a cut.

Oh I have too, there's rules on some SV boards that a future episode title is a spoiler o_0

Yeah same for Supernatural, I find it ridiculous.

I don't get it either, I mean how much is a title going to spoiler someone? And if it was a twist that the writers thought the viewers would be better off not knowing, then they wouldn't have put it in the title in the first place, so I don't know what people think is being "spoiled" exactly

I try to remember to mention episodes of SV by number rather than title. Most of them are not very informative, really, but I have seen people on my f-list complain, so I do try to be careful about it.

Oh I always cooperate with spoiler cuts too, but I do think the internet has given people license to start acting a little ridiculous over spoilers. Like back in season 4 of Smallville I remember there was huge fandom drama over the Lois Lane appearance in Crusade being a spoiler. And it's like...appparently there were billboards in America announcing her arrival, they were using it for publicity. And then online people are going to treat it like some great surprise twist that will ruin the episode if they know of it in advance? Some stuff I understand is better not to know, but how can people expect to go into an episode having absolutely no idea of anything that's going to happen. People see a movie trailer teasing scenes in advance, does that ruin the movie for them???

The titles are one word and sometimes not even connected to the episode in question. I mean, there was no actual Tomb in Tomb. Labyrinth had no actual maze. Memoria... well how could you guess what that was about? I don't think it counts as a spoiler, honestly. Other details about the episode, yes, keep under a cut, but titles? Pfft.

It just does a disservice to people who want to be shielded from legitimate spoilers when people go to extremes with the spoiler-free attitude, and dare I say it but act a little entitled too

I was really pissed when the Farscape mini-series twist was spoiled for me by some ass :/ But I still read promotional magazine articles about the mini-series beforehand, watched the trailer, and read a description for it. I saw that as basic normal promotion, and still considered myself to be going spoiler-free for once (until I got spoiled gah). The internet seems to have created a bizarre definition of a spoiler now that didn't exist before. It's like refusing to read a description of the novel you're about to read, or watch a trailer for a movie y'know. Fair enough not wanting to be spoiled for the big twists, or having a really detailed description of how it's all going to play out, but how realistic is it to insist that you want to know nothing at all about what's coming up

As you guys were talking about titles below, um, yeah I can see where "Legion" might be spoilerish... but only if you know what's going to happen. If you don't know what the Legion is, or you don't know that they're coming, the title doesn't necessarily tell you that. It could refer to possession, or the Legion of Doom.

Hell, in S5 we got the title "Mercy," and Mercy Graves was nowhere to be found! I protest!

"Zod," though... that's only a spoiler if you haven't been watching the show. Brainiac had been going on about releasing Zod since before the middle of the season and the episodes prior were all about sekrit Kryptonian language saying "ZOD IS COMING" and Lex is the vessel of Zod! And a Clex barn scene in which Zod actually comes in, takes over, and says that Lex is dead and Clark has his father's eyes.

Not a spoiler.

"Kara" isn't a spoiler either. If you know who she is, then you're going to know just by looking at the character that appeared in Bizarro. If you don't, then it means nothing. Seriously. It's a name.

"Dumbledore dies" is a spoiler. Sometimes I don't watch the released director's cut and promos simply because the CW blows at promotion and the trailers are misleading. For the Batman movie, I didn't watch any of the promos or look at the stills released beforehand because I wanted to have as much be as new or unspoiled as possible, but I wasn't going to go nuts about common things being posted out of spoiler cuts.

Oh I was pissed over Mercy being all about Saw rip-off with Lionel, I was SO excited for actual Mercy's intro. Steven DeKnight follows comics too, so I'd bet he chose that title deliberately *g*

And right I understand people being sensitive over actual spoilers, but fandom sometimes gets so that even seeing a picture of Batman's costume in the film say would be a spoiler to them, and it's like you would be considered so crazy for calling that a spoiler in everyday life, but on LJ people totally will bitch people out over stuff like that

I mean there's always been trailers released to tease what's going to happen

While I do know some people that turn the show off before the trailer so they don't have to watch it because they want to remained unspoiled until they actually watch the episode, I don't think most episode titles are something that need to be cut.

I used the word most because some can be pretty spoilery. 'Zod', 'Kara', and 'Legion' are some that spring to mind.

I would only consider titles like Kara and Legion to be spoilery for the comicbooks fans to be honest, I don't know if general viewers would get much from them. (Zod we already had an idea about from Vessal I think). And don't the producers want the comicbook fans to know in advance, or be "spoiled", so that they can promote the appearances and draw more fans in? That's why I don't get the difference between promoting a show and "spoiling it". Like shouldn't spoilers apply just to the twists of the show, not something like oh Lois Lane is going to be arriving this season, and oh no you've now ruined the surprise of season 4 for me

Although to be fair I guess that some of the networks haven't helped when they do put out really spoilery trailers that do way more than just tease what's going to happen. I remember ER back in season 6 had a surprise appearance from George Clooney and the network had no idea he was appearing because the show wanted it to be a surprise treat for the fans, and feared the network would use it to promote the episode. I think the network was kind of pissed afterwards actually, as they would have totally used it in trailers *g*

Edited Date: 2009-01-25 07:27 pm (UTC)

I think the networks can promote their shows however they want. And that way it's up to the person watching to make the decision about what to watch and avoid if they don't want to know something.

But in LJ, I thought it was common and accepted practice to put anything about un-aired eps behind a cut. I know there are some extremely spoilerphobic people out there that wouldn't have wanted to know to know that Lois Lane was going to show up in S4 because it would have ruined the surprise of who she was when she showed up.

She mentioned she was Lois right away in the teaser though, it's not like it was used as a surprise twist...

I just don't understand the attitude that knowing anything about an episode in advance, even the title, has "spoiled something". IMO it's taking the definition of a spoiler to an extreme rather, over here the papers and magazines tend to announce the return or departure of characters with DW all over the front pages, and then on-line you get killed for even mentioning anything about that. So it does seem that spoilers do get treated very differently in "real life" to this cult of spoiler-phobic people that have developed on-line. Knowing the big twists can ruin things, no one's going to argue with that obviously. But some people don't even want their friends to have a mood with their episode review posts, in case it spoilers how they might respond to the episodes themselves. Which is taking it a bit far I think

Like everyone knows that David Tennent is leaving Doctor Who, and the BBC have since announced the identity of the new actor playing the Doctor, and people are saying the news should be spoiler cut. Not the news that DT is leaving, which might be slightly more understandable, but even knowing who the new actor is. I mean knowing twists and major plot points are bad yes, but even knowing which actor is going to appear in a tv series? I just don't get this attitude that's developed online of people wanting to walk into a tv show entirely blind, or something has been ruined for them. I mean I do always cut and warn for spoilers still, I don't want to upset anyone if that really is a spoiler for them, I just don't get it I guess

Edited Date: 2009-01-25 07:56 pm (UTC)

But she didn't mention it until the end of the teaser. Those that don't like knowing anything until they see it on the screen would have had a really awesome surprise.

I'm not saying that I agree with those that say any information about a show is a spoiler but I also know that you can't do anything to change their mind. And if you don't want to cut things like ep titles, then it's going to be up to them on whether or not they want to continue reading your LJ. And if it's a community, then it's up to the community owner to make the decision what constitutes a spoiler.

I don't understand people that are such huge spoilerphobes but I don't have to. I just have to respect it and live with. *shrugs*

Hee yes, that's probably the best way of looking at it *g*

I can totally get how spoilers can ruin an episode for people :P I'm a total spoilerphobe. An episode title is not a spoiler though, IMO. It comes up on screen at the very start of the episode so there's not much escaping it :P

LOL Yeah I understand people not wanting to be spoiled for what's going to happen, but when people request to have the episode title behind a spoiler cut, I think that's going just a little bit too far with definition of a spoiler

I defriend people who bitch at me about spoilers. It's my LJ. I write what I like.

I just don't get what happened to the definition of spoiler meaning to spoil the actual plot. Now people even say they've been spoiled if they see icons which have images of what characters are going to be wearing in an upcoming episode, which actors are going to appear in the show, what the title is...

Edited Date: 2009-01-25 11:59 pm (UTC)

Personally, I've always felt it's really the fault of the person who is spoiled not the person doing the spoiling. There'll always be people who make mistakes or who are even malicious, so if it matters that much to you to not be spoiled GET OFF THE FUCKING INTERNET!!!!

This.

I'm sick of people kvetching aboit spilers.

See I don't mind if it's an actual spoiler, because I understand how much that can suck. It's just the way people define spoilers these days that leaves me baffled at times

Yeah, I don't like spoilers, but things like episode titles and basic reactions don't bother me...unless the title is osmething like, "Clark and Chloe have lots of sex." then I'd think, this is a spoiler.

Yeah, I'd say that's definitely a more reasonable definition of a spoiler :D

I know this is about SV, but when it really gets to me is when I realize how fandom practices have almost overtaken real life sometimes. When I found myself wondering if I should lj-cut my entry about Kate Winslet winning the Golden Globe, so as not to "spoil" anyone? That's when things have gone too far. (I was a rebel and didn't cut it, btw *g*)

Hee! And yeah totally on fandom's strictness, in real life people are going to be pissed at you if you spoil the ending of The Sixth Sense twist say. But they're not going to act like you're traumatized them if you mention the film summary or show them the trailer, and in fandom that's a totally acceptable response it seems

haha, maybe its the economic climate, its starts to affect people brains, too`?
everyone is getting more and more sensitive and brainless over everything, even in fandom...

I think so *g*

For me, if the title gives away a plot point (such as "The Doctor's Daughter" then its a spoiler. And When I was in Columbus we never got trailers.. so I loved being able to go int an episode completely free of *any* knowledge of what's going to happen. So I've taken that stance. I love the "holy crap" moments that happen when I don't know what's going to happen.

Otherwise... if a title is just a nondescript title.. then I don;t mind the spoiler for it.

BUT amusingly enough, when it comes to datime soaps.. I want all the spoilers I can get. LOL Primetime, I want *nothing* Its more fun to watch TV that way for me.

Yeah there seems to be this idea of fandom being strictly divided into spoiler whores and spoiler avoiders, but I think a lot of us like to be spoiled for some shows, and not others

And "The Doctor's Daughter" was such a letdown, they should have just called it "The Doctor's Clone" to be honest :/

While I am a spoiler phobe, I'm not one of the ZOMG SPOILERS IT BUUUURRNNNZZZZ!!!1111111!!!!ELEVENTYONE!!!!!!11
people.
Mostly, either I don't click on the cut or scroll past the entry on my Flist. Its very easy to do both. I move on, everyone is happy. LOL

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