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Okay so I shouldn't be copying and pasting posts from TWoP just to mock them. That's very wrong of me. But....Someone just posted (and they were serious) in the Spike thread

To take it a step further, not only do I think that Spike sabotaged Riley and Buffy with all the 'holding her but not having her' crap, he also actively sabotaged Angel and Buffy, with his 'you'll never be friends' speech where he explains to them that they can't have a grown-up relationship, that it's gotta be all blood and screaming and heaving bosums, 'cause he himself is incapable of understanding the concept of an adult relationship that isn't about immediate gratification.

Joyce came and talked to Angel later in that season, and Angel confirmed that he'd already come to the same conclusion, that he couldn't be around Buffy any longer, which suggests that it was *Spike* who first planted that coffin-nail.

And this was well before Spike had any interest in Buffy, other than as another Slayer notch on his belt. He didn't want to *have* her, he justed wanted to wreck what was hers. I have no problem seeing him as the one who wrecked the Scoobs dynamic, since there wasn't a relationship of Buffy's that he didn't manage to screw up to some degree. He even messed up her relationship with Dawn, leading to fights between them when Dawn was sneaking out to be with him, and leading to Buffy's neglect of Dawn when Buffy was sneaking out to be with him...

Ultimately, he wrecks everything he touches.

Wtf? Now I don't have a problem with the sensible discussion of Spike's character not working for people. But Spike ruining every relationship in the show??? B/A and B/R breaking up because of Spike?

It's bizarre to go from that to the SV spoiler thread, on the same board, where people are discussing how the season fell apart when Fine left.

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yes, it was SPIKE’S fault Angel left Buffy... he didn't love her he just wanted to ruin her? Whatever.

Spike spoke the truth. What happened from there just...happened.

This person's own argument is flawed because if Spike did not want Buffy for anything more than a "Slayer notch" at that point, why would he be interested in sabotaging her relationships?

It makes no sense.

Apparently, Spike has a strong power over people, where they are unable to think for themselves.

Wow, that amused me more than it should've...

You know every time that i think that I'm a bit too crazy, well... I read stuff like this and then i'm not that hard on myself.

What a, um, colorful interpretation of Spike's behavior. Apparently (1) trying to break up a relationship because you're jealous, and (2) exchanging a few home-truth jabs with a couple of old enemies, is outstandingly evil for a conscienceless killer. If the converse holds, we should be seeing rampant bloodshed on every situation comedy, since they all feature scoundrels who repeatedly commit acts of jealousy and mean-spiritedness.

Spike himself rejects the idea that he has the power to break up healthy relationships in "The Yoko Factor". Of course, we know he hates to brag.

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Aw, the Spike hatas are so dedicated. I swear half those posts are feeds by the management. Have you noticed random Spike hate comments popping up in other areas? Bad character? Not as bad as Spike. Most Embarrassing Situation? Spike! Worst Woman in Rock? Spike!

Joyce came and talked to Angel later in that season, and Angel confirmed that he'd already come to the same conclusion, that he couldn't be around Buffy any longer

A sensible thing for Angel to decide about a girl at school who kept envisaging weddings, backed up by her mother, but this heinous act is also Spike's doing?

And of course it would have been such a good thing for Buffy if Angel and Riley hadn't left.

What I really can't stand about certain TWoP posters is the way they seem to think these characters actually exist - they can't seem to get their heads round the concept that Buffy's relationships broke up because of the storyline and if Spike hadn't been a triggering factor, then something else would have been. It's not like Buffy would still be hooked up with Angel if Spike had been staked in S2.

lol! The most idiotic thing in that post is the ridiculous claim that B/A was a grown up and adult relationship.

The season fell apart when Fine "left"? Do people even try to make sense anymore on that board? I love Fine, he was a great clex-oriented guest star and I want more of him (and more mythology in general), but how exactly has his departure marked a dip in quality. Weird.

So, tell me, how did Spike influence the WB, as well? Because B/A ended because they commissioned Angel as a show ;)

Heh, if Spike is responsible for breaking up both of those relationships, then my hat is off to him. :)

This is kinda OT, but not really (lol), are you writing in? Tell me you're writing in. And if you're not? WHY THE FRELL NOT? LOL You MUST and then post what you sent and then make lots of other people write in too!

We need more people!!!!!!!11

Yes, I am crazy. Hee.

Thanks for pointing. Set's rant is hysterical - obviously he'll dedicate the rest of his life to blaming Spike for everything he doesn't like.

Coming in way late on this: Wow, it's been a while since I've read such a thoroughly moronic anti-Spike rant. It never ceases to amaze me how people can so fundamentally misunderstand what Joss and the other writers intended, or for that matter, how they can spend more time hating and ripping apart a character they don't like than enjoy the ones they do like.

Being a comic/movie/TV genre nerd, I don't often say this. but whoever wrote that'un? Get a life!

(OH, and B/A was not the adult ship. It was the 'sweet sixteen' flowery romantic teenage ship. Which is fine if that's what some people are into more, but to call that the 'adult' one? Just funny)