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Okay so I shouldn't be copying and pasting posts from TWoP just to mock them. That's very wrong of me. But....Someone just posted (and they were serious) in the Spike thread

To take it a step further, not only do I think that Spike sabotaged Riley and Buffy with all the 'holding her but not having her' crap, he also actively sabotaged Angel and Buffy, with his 'you'll never be friends' speech where he explains to them that they can't have a grown-up relationship, that it's gotta be all blood and screaming and heaving bosums, 'cause he himself is incapable of understanding the concept of an adult relationship that isn't about immediate gratification.

Joyce came and talked to Angel later in that season, and Angel confirmed that he'd already come to the same conclusion, that he couldn't be around Buffy any longer, which suggests that it was *Spike* who first planted that coffin-nail.

And this was well before Spike had any interest in Buffy, other than as another Slayer notch on his belt. He didn't want to *have* her, he justed wanted to wreck what was hers. I have no problem seeing him as the one who wrecked the Scoobs dynamic, since there wasn't a relationship of Buffy's that he didn't manage to screw up to some degree. He even messed up her relationship with Dawn, leading to fights between them when Dawn was sneaking out to be with him, and leading to Buffy's neglect of Dawn when Buffy was sneaking out to be with him...

Ultimately, he wrecks everything he touches.

Wtf? Now I don't have a problem with the sensible discussion of Spike's character not working for people. But Spike ruining every relationship in the show??? B/A and B/R breaking up because of Spike?

It's bizarre to go from that to the SV spoiler thread, on the same board, where people are discussing how the season fell apart when Fine left.

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Aw, the Spike hatas are so dedicated. I swear half those posts are feeds by the management. Have you noticed random Spike hate comments popping up in other areas? Bad character? Not as bad as Spike. Most Embarrassing Situation? Spike! Worst Woman in Rock? Spike!

Joyce came and talked to Angel later in that season, and Angel confirmed that he'd already come to the same conclusion, that he couldn't be around Buffy any longer

A sensible thing for Angel to decide about a girl at school who kept envisaging weddings, backed up by her mother, but this heinous act is also Spike's doing?

There was a poll at TWoP about did Spike ruin Smallville the way he ruined Buffy. And I had a what the hell reaction to that, because it's not even a question any Smallville person is asking really. Everyone in the SV forum thinks James's character has been a great addition this season *shrug*

And er some of don't think he ruined Buffy either. I guess TWoP management has decided it's now a fact that he did

Oh I forgot that 'Spike' was set to ruin Smallville too. I've only seen two episodes so far, so I can't tell how much his disgraceful, scene-hogging 'good acting' routine has wrecked all the relationships on the show.

Nice foregone conclusion, there.

Yeah. By voting yes or no, it's kind of like the, "so when did you stop beating your wife?" question. *eyeroll*

TWOP has some sane posters but is run by the crazies. Most boards, it's the other way around.