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I'm finding that the characterisation on From Dusk Till Dawn isn't really the same for me in season 2 :( Tbh I was most into the show in the first half of season 1 when Richie came across as a little bit sociopathic/there was just something off about him, and Seth was constantly having to keep him in check and worry about him. I read quite a bit of fan fic based on that early characterisation, but it feels like that's been all but dismissed as only being down to the visions since Richie became a vampire? I really enjoyed those early episodes, but it's started to feel a bit B-movie to me at times since it's become more vampire-focused, and I'm just not enjoying the Seth and Richie scenes as much as I was, I miss human Richie... Although after saying that about the vampire focus, I am finding that Carlos and Santanico have become the most interesting characters to me this season. I guess I'm still enjoying the show enough to keep watching, but the brother moments are not pulling me in emotionally as much as they were in season 1, and the storylines all feel a bit too scattered at the moment

I am however loving iZombie this season! As well as a fun main plot with Liv as a ~bro~, their main arcs were also well-done this week with some revealing background on Blaine that was long overdue, as well as the general hilarity of Ravi and Major getting high at the club together, I particularly enjoyed shirtless Ravi XD That whole bromance is so adorable, hee at Ravi getting annoyed at why couldn't he be an undercover cop as well. And for the first time I could see myself maybe shipping Major with Liv, that ship hasn't made a lot of impact on me so far, but it was very sweet when high Major asked Liv to stay with him. And I'm someone who admittedly loves angsty storylines, so I was very intrigued by the ending reveal of Major getting hooked on Utopian and where they might be going with that

The main plot had a pretty effective twist at the end I thought where, if the killer had tracked down the actual drunk-driver then there would have been no tragedy, because he would have seen how he had turned his life around and regretted what he did, instead he came across a drunken and uncaring fratboy and made that split-second decision to kill him. The whole dog fight scene was sad too when the girl broke down crying in front of an awkward Clive. And I'm going to need Clive to find out what is going on with Liv soon! I get the feeling that they will probably leave him in the dark for the rest of the season though, that way they have at least one cast member to play baffled responses to Liv's behaviour

I also enjoyed this weeks episode of Doctor Who, it felt very Docterish of him to first need to come up with a plan of defending themselves against invaders and learning to fight, only to instead end up being all about tricking the enemy into making a fool of themselves *g* I'm very surprised about the Doctor's decision with Ashildr though, it seems like such an obvious "what could go wrong" thing to do, in the past we've even seen the Tardis and the Doctor deliberately avoid Jack and emphasis how no one should ever be immortal and it feels so wrong, so I'm at a bit of a loss as to why the Doctor would ever think that it would be a good idea to do this time, even going so far as to leave Ashildr the option of making another immortal! The final image of the episode was nicely-done though, and next week's episode looks like it should be a very good continuation.

Weird that there was some talk of episodes 5 and 6 not strictly speaking being a two-parter though, they might be two separate stories technically speaking, but the episodes pretty clearly are going to be closely tied together, this one even ends on "to be continued"... It's looking like episodes 9 and 10 are going to be the only non two-parters this year?

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Yes, I loved the Doctor's solution to defeating the enemy! I think he was so desperate to save Ashildr, he went for the first and most extreme solution available even though he knows it will probably come back to haunt him. In the next episode, presumably.

I can appreciate the Doctor saying to hell with the rules if he thinks that there's a greater good in there somewhere, I suppose my sticking-point is that DW has always put so much emphasis on immortality being seen as more of a curse than a blessing, so it just seems really bizarre to me that he thought that he thought that he was doing the right thing by Ashildr. In the past he's given more than one speech about how living for a really long time basically just means that you live long enough to see the people around you die, he even says that again to Clara in this episode when he's admitting making Ashildr immortal, so how exactly did he think that he was helping Ashildr is what I'm getting stuck on

And the episode focuses on how much the people in her village mean to Ashildr, and that she doesn't know if she would find any kind of acceptance elsewhere, so I'm really curious to see how next week is going to pick up that thread when she meets the Doctor again after he caused her to outlive everyone in her village. In her position I would be pretty pissed-off with him!

I suspect that a pissed-off Viking woman out of her own time and place is exactly what we are going to see. I did like the way they tied The Fires of Pompeii into the episode, though.

I love how Izombie first lured you in with the funny bro stuff, and then pulled up the curtain and showed just how harmful those 'funny' jokes of theirs really were.

And I agree, if the killer had come across the actual drunk driver, he probably would have felt at least relieved that his father's death actually mattered to the guy that had killed him. He would have seen the guy's remorse, they could have talked, and they both might have felt better over it.

But instead Chad was such an asshole drunk fratboy, that he couldn't take the kid and his grief serious. And ended up paying for it with his life.

And I'm going to need Clive to find out what is going on with Liv soon!

You know, they've actually filmed SEVERAL scenes where Clive at least calls Liv out on her behaviour but kinda deleted them all because they think it's funnier that way... oh well...

I have to admit I liked that episode of Doctor Who (unlike the rest of the season so far), and I literally squealed with joy when they followed up the fact that Peter actually has been on Doctor Who before. They usually DON'T do that and now they even gave him a reason for looking the way he did... that moment made me REALLY, really happy. That's what I call continuation :)

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Yeah it's interesting that both the first and second episode of this season have pushed sympathy for the killer accidentally killing their victim on the spur of the moment/later having reason to regret it (the dog wasn't actually dead, the first guy was a case of mistaken identity). I found it hard to completely sympathise with the killer not even confirming the guys identity before killing him mind you, but it did all make a horrible kind of sense with him not going there with the intention of killing him, but just losing it when he found a drunken frat guy who seemed to live down to all of his worst expectations about the drunk-driver who had killed his father

I remember hearing that the show was planning to tie in Peter Capaldi's previous appearance, and I thought that was a nice way of doing it, it was great to get those flashbacks with David Tennent and Catherine Tate :)

And hmm interesting, that does seem to point to them wanting to keep Clive in the dark for a while yet. But eh I don't see why they can't still have the funny wtf responses from Clive, at the same time as him asking Liv what her deal is. It doesn't make sense for him not to address it at all, so for character reasons they really should consider leaving some of those scenes in!

That did seem to be what the ending was pointing too, she looked pretty dark at the end of it!

And that was very cool, I loved all of the flashbacks there :)

Yes, it's kind of driving me crazy right now that Clive still doesn't know and doesn't seem to question anything! Although it did with Peyton as well considering she supposedly knew Liv a lot better.

Cute icon :) And yeah it's a little bit of a stretch, especially considering that Clive is a detective and is otherwise presented as a smart guy who is quick at putting things together, so there's no reason for him to be this oblivious. I can actually understand it more with her friends and family having to accept that Liv is going through some kind of crisis after her ~near-death~ experience at the party, but you'd think that Clive would have picked up on Liv starting to act exactly like traits of the victims that they are looking into each episode. Heck they could have her explain it away to him as part of her psychic deal easily enough!

On the one hand I definitely want Clive to find out because it's really starting to become unbelievable that a DETECTIVE could be so obtuse but on the other hand,his reaction shots are always so funny! ^^

I am in complete agreement with you regarding this season of From Dusk till Dawn. IDK, I'm just not enjoying it near as much as I did S1, I think your call on the brothers relationship feeling off has a lot to do with it. I ended up dropping it and will catch it later when it shows up on Netflix - too many other shows to keep up with to worry about one I'm not near as invested in anymore.

I do miss that first half of season 1 when it was more of a crime thriller. It seemed like Richie was originally written as a lot more fucked-up in the beginning, and there was always that sense of what could set him off, there was even that whole backstory of Richie killing their father by setting him on fire! Idk maybe I'm missing that whole ~us against the world~ feeling when they were pretty much only reliant on each other, and you got the feeling that Richie was a bit of a sociopath other than his love for his brother. (I am drawn to fucked-up dynamics like that on occasion *g*) Whereas I feel like season 2 Richie is a pretty generic criminal in comparison, and the main conflict between the brothers now seems to rather unimaginably be based around Richie feeling overlooked as the younger brother meh. It just seems like a lot of complexity was lost once Richie became a vampire and the show confirmed that he wasn't crazy after all, again what can I say lol, but I loved that whole build-up with unbalanced Richie and 'there is something wrong with your brother

What episode did you watch up too this season?

Heh true, I'm wondering if the writers are regretting letting the rest of the main cast in the know already now that Clive is pretty much the only character they can use now for those bemused reactions, so I wouldn't be surprised if they don't milk it for a while yet! *g*

I think it combines with making us feel sympathy for the zombies. Showing us the zombie Major killed as a family man and father, showing us the loss the man's children felt.

Especially when you keep in mind that like Lowell he probably was a client/victim of Blaine's, and at best, he did every effort not to look into where the brains he ate came from.
(just imagine, the man had children the age of those streetkids that Blaine served to his customers, so how likely is it, that he didn't have at least a few flashbacks to give him a hint of the age of his meals.)

5, I think? The brothers had just reunited and were working together again. So, even though I was happy about that, I just wasn't invested enough with this seasons storylines to bother to keep up with the episodes as they aired.

I'm loving iZombie this season too! That police tape dress, Ravi in glitter and the Ravi/Major slow mo dancing was fantastically entertaining. LOL

I also don't get why Clive isn't cluing in, but I think you're right about the WTF reaction shot being important to the showmakers. Sure she claims to be psychic, but he's seen her personality alter with incredible regularity before it goes back to baseline, plus all the murders and rumors. He's got all the pieces of the puzzle-- so strange for a detective to not put them together.

What do you mean "loving iZombie this season"? Do you have a second season over there already?

Yeah, I'm not enjoying S2 of From Dusk Till Dawn as much. At first I thought it was because the brothers weren't together, but it's still not really doing it for me.

I'M SO SORRY YOU'RE NOT FEELIN' FDTD. I couldn't beg to differ more -- I love everything this season chooses to be, ESPECIALLY the Geckos?? Mostly I love how much of a fuss Seth kicks up about Richie being a culebra, yet his actions totally betray what's coming out of his mouth. ;D

I'm with you on the Doctor and Ashildr. Actually, when the Doctor was explaining it all to Clara, it occurred to me that he could very well have given the other healing thingamajig to Clara, especially in light of his terror of losing her. Yet this didn't seem to occur to him at all...

ah, fro,m dask untik dawn... I have to admit that I didn't have strenght to catch up with the series, as I feared it would have "ruined" the movie- where, I think, Richie was a bit of a sociopath. But yeah, what I really liked was the dinamic between the brothers, over there too.
It feels like a b-movie? I always felt that way abaout the movie itself- but I think it's a bit "wanted", just like Tarantino &Co. made Grindhouse and Planet Terror :)

Nope, I don't think iZombie is airing in the UK at all actually? I've just been d/l it online

iZombie's second season has definitely opened really strongly so far, hopefully they can keep it up! And yeah it doesn't seem like they're building towards Clive finding out anytime soon, but it is a bit implausible that the detective character would be the only main cast member who isn't in the know, especially given how closely he works with Liv on those cases where she is picking up identical traits to the victims

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I am loving the greater depth given to Santanico this season, and Carlos's character has also become a favourite after not making much of an impression on me in season 1, but I guess I miss how the Gecko brothers grounded the show for me last year when they were coming across the vampires at the same time that we were, and I'm just not feeling the same connection to this season since it's gone all in with the vampires. I'm still enjoying the brother moments, but something is missing for me there as well even :/ Maybe watching it weekly is another reason why I'm struggling with it though, I binge-watched the first season and that can make a difference in how invested you get I suppose

And my immediate response to that would be that he wouldn't have given it to Clara because he knows that living on forever isn't really a blessing at all, but yeah that still leaves the question of why he would chose to make Ashildr immortal, then fly off and leave her to it

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Same :( I was frustrated in the beginning with how long they kept Seth and Richie apart, but I think I was a little more invested then actually because I was still enjoying the show exploring the Seth/Kate and Richie/Santanico pairings. Since Richie and Seth reunited though, while they've had their brotherly moments that I've enjoyed, I dunno I feel like it's more action action all the time, and there isn't really a lot of emotional investment for me any more...

The last episode was better for me, but I think I was really struggling around the time of the Uncle Eddie arc because I just didn't care about the brothers and their background the way that season 1 had set-up me up to care, even when the show was trying to set up a poignant moment with his death. I was a lot more invested in the flashbacks to their childhoods last season, but it feels like Richie's character has been flattened out somewhat since then?

I think that the series compliments the movie in a lot of ways, it's basically following a similar plot to the movie in the first season, and so you should still enjoy the series if you liked the movie. Richie's character is still pretty unbalanced in the first season of the tv series, but they tone down certain aspects like his rape of the bank teller, the tv series does a different version of that scene which doesn't involve rape. One big improvement for me with the tv series was that the vampires still keep their original personalities, so that opened up Seth and Richie's relationship to be explored more in the second half of season 1 when Seth has to adjust to his turning. Also Santanico's character gets a lot more depth in the tv series

I guess that the fault probably lies with me as I always liked the first half of the movie too a lot more when it was a road movie and focused on Seth and Richie! I am a fan of the vampire genre obv, but I guess that whole campy b-movie tone just isn't really my thing?

Wow, I'd have thought I would have known about this.

It doesn't seem to have made much of an impression in the UK at all actually, I can't even find the DVD's for it on amazon.co.uk :(

iZombie is such fun. I'm really enjoying this season, too :D

:D I think in my mind I had dismissed season 1 as a cute show but not really a must-watch, but it has quickly become exactly that for me in season 2, they really seem to have stepped things up!

I think the Doctor made a bad choice making her immortal and the consequences came out in the second episode afterward. I am really enjoying this season of Dr. Who. They have really stepped up to the mark.

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