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That was pretty good! I especially loved the Damon and Bonnie scenes with them snarking at one another lol. And I wasn't ultimately a big fan of Delena as a couple in seasons 4 and 5, but I did use to enjoy the UST and the build-up to them, so it made me quite nostalgic to flashback to some of those moments like their dance from season 1, I thought that those scenes between Elena and Alaric were very well-done. I don't really see how the season 3 premiere was when Elena first fell in love with Damon though, she was so intensely into finding Stefan at that time. I guess that they really wanted to push the idea that she was in love with them both at the same time, but I just always thought that the moment she fell for Damon was more around the midway point of season 3 when Damon first kissed her? Obviously there was sexual tension between them before then, but she was so into saving Stefan in those early season 3 episodes that I never sensed her struggling massively with denying that she was also in love with Damon, I always thought that came later into season 3 after Stefan's behaviour was driving her away more and more :shrugs:

Ouch at them bringing back the moment when Damon snapped Jeremy's neck! After the premiere I was kind of blah on the idea of Alaric wiping Elena's memories of loving Damon, and it still seems like a ridiculous thing for the other characters to all buy into, but I'm getting a little more interested now on how they plan to portray Delena when Damon returns and finds that Elena only thinks of him now as a monster who killed her brother. That should shake up some dynamics for a few episodes

And after the Stefan scenes were pretty boring in the premiere with how isolated he was from the rest of the cast, it was better to me this week when Enzo and Caroline were brought into that story, even though I'm still not loving Enzo's character tbh. He did have some amusing quips, but quite frankly at times he just feels like too much of a Damon wannabe to me from the writers, and I'm really not sure what Stefan and Damon's relationship has to do with him. "Eternity of misery" indeed. Something about his character, like his whole BFF thing with Damon, feels a little forced to me, almost like you can sense that the writers are trying as hard as they can to create another fan favourite

And I can understand Caroline being upset at Stefan closing himself off from his living friends, but I don't see why Enzo is so appalled at him for giving up on his dead brother. He looked into ways of bringing him back, there was nothing, so what are you expecting him to do exactly, spend the rest of his life refusing to accept that his brother is dead??

I did notice that they're not even attempting to pass Stefan off as 17 years old any more lol, what with him dating an adult woman and her wondering what other work he had before working at the auto repair shop. Er attending high school :P

Disappointingly though it looks like there's going to be less shades of grey than I was hoping for with the storyline of the Fell guy having the vampires frying in the back of his van and grinning away like a psycho. It just seems like a Conner situation all over again, when I was rather hoping for a storyline focusing on him looking more into the cover-up, and being horrified at how the Sheriff is protecting the vampires now. Crazed vampire hunter has all been done before, whereas I thought that the premiere was setting up that the helpless citizens of Mystic Falls, like the girl that Elena ripped into before the Sheriff brought her own daughter in to compel that memory, did need someone looking out for them. But still I'll wait and see how it goes, I do think that overall the season is off to a solid start so far

And I've finished watching season 7 of Supernatural, but I gave up on catching up on seasons 8 and 9 in time, so I jumped straight into 1001.

I really enjoyed it, well the Sam and Dean stories anyway, but the Castiel moments were pretty boring. I like him when he's playing off Sam and Dean, but his storyline this episode just felt really disjointed and an annoying distraction from the focus on Sam trying to find out what happened to Dean. The actors playing angels seem so dull now too, what happened to angels having a real presence about them like Zachariah and Uriel?

The portrayal of Dean as a demon wasn't exactly what I was expecting, he seemed less full-on evil, and more just a more extreme version of himself? The only moments that seemed really dark/not Dean to me were when he insulted the girl he was sleeping with, and of course the obvious in him not going to rescue Sam. It was fun though seeng him singing lol, and I am finding the set-up of him with Crowley pretty intriguing, I'm looking forward to seeing where they plan to go with that relationship. I'm also excited to see how much darker they plan to go with Dean as a demon. But my single fav part of the episode was 'Sammy let me go', it oddly warms my heart that even demon Dean is still calling his brother Sammy'<3

I also enjoyed the pilot for The Flash. I don't really have that much to say about it, but it seemed fun and I liked the characters

And I watched my first episode of American Horror Story, and er that was different *g* Is anyone on my flist following that show?

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I though CA did a good job showing how hurt she was that Stefan totally ignored all those calls she'd been making to him.

I especially loved the Damon and Bonnie scenes with them snarking at one another lol.

The whole pancake scenario was pretty hilarious.

Candice is always great :)

The Damon & Bonnie show is so funny! :D

I've really been enjoying them and, from the looks of things, it's not over yet *g*

I watched AHS last season, and have watched the first episode this season. I'm conflicted; it looks nicely creepy and I like how AHS uses impressive older actresses, but the representations of disability here are problematic in the extreme. Also, if you want me to believe you are in the 1950s, do not perform a David Bowie song from the 1970s, especially if it is a song that has many other associations.

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I know what you mean, but I suppose that we're expected to make allowances if they want to make it historically accurate to how performers were treated in 'freak shows'. And yeah that performance was a little bit surreal, but I couldn't help enjoying it anyway *g*

Did you like it last season?

I wonder if there is any way to trigger Elena's "real" memories... like for example when I think it was something with Sam in Supernatural and he didn't remember anything about purgatory - I think (OH god, that is so long that I've seen it) and even little things could make him remember and destroy everything. I wonder if maybe one kiss (or whatsoever) can trigger some of the memories back. I mean, I HIGHLY doubt they are gone forever... And I mean, Ric said he had to "re-wire" her or something like that, but all he did was change that 1 memory. Did that change EVERY other memory she had like a domino effect? O.o

Not saying anything about Enzo here, because I love him and I would just say we can agree to disagree when it comes to him since I don't think I'll ever not love him ;-)

I would almost say Damon is all he has/had left and that's why he "clings" to him so much. Before, all he had was wanting to find and revenge his girlfriend's killer, but Damon is his longest friend (since I doubt he has any others) and of course bringing him back and not giving up might have been his main priority. He fights harder for him than Stefan...

And seriously... 4 months? How long has Elena fought to get HIM back after getting all "Ripper!Stefan"? It feels like way longer...

Either way... I thought it was a good episode...

Aww yeah, I know that you really like Enzo :( I did like him when they first introduced him in the flashbacks, even when he first came back in the present-day scenes too, I guess that once him and Damon became such great pals was when it started to feel kind of overkill to me. If it's any consolation I do feel similarly to you about Alaric though *g*

And I would feel differently if it was a case of Damon going off the rails and Stefan giving up on him, but it just seems kind of harsh for Enzo to give Stefan a hard time for giving up by accepting that his brother is dead. It came across like Stefan did look into ways of bringing his brother back at first, but eventually gave up after running into dead end after dead end. Even Elena, in having her memories taken from her, is also giving up on ever having Damon in her life again, so it seems like both Stefan and Elena have had to force themselves to let go and move on because Damon isn't coming back as far as they know

I am and that's show (AHS) is so weird. It's not that it's good this season but more that I can't look away from the grotesque sexual trainwreck it's become.

Lol yeah, so far I'm intrigued by it and I'm impressed with the production design, but some of the scenes do make me feel a bit dirty *g*

What did you think of the other seasons, would you recommend them, which was your favourite season?

The only season I watched before freakshow fully was the first season about ghosts. I don't like things about asylums and I just was busy and didn't tune in for the witches.

I've read other reviews that explain this season is even more sexually graphic than before and I know it starts out more aggressive sexually than the ghost season. I'm just too intrigued/shocked to give it up now so we'll see!

How did you find the one with the ghosts? (The first season, right?) And yeah, I definitely get the feeling that they're planning to push things as far as they can go sexually, the orgy scene was disturbing!

I'm going to watch American Horror Story. But I prefer to let it build up so as to experience the greatest mindfuck, lol.

You prefer to marathon it all in one go then? *g*

And how did you find the past seasons, I'm curious as to which ones are worth watching?

They're all so different, it's hard to compare them. They each have different things going for them. But I liked the third season a lot.

I'm watching AHS. I've watched every season except for Asylum. That clown is so creepy and disturbing!

I love the Damon and Bonnie scenes, and that really surprises me!

Elena asking Ric to take away her memories is a cheap cop out to me. Obviously Damon is going to come back and Ric will probably be held prisoner somewhere and therefore cannot retrieve Elena's memories. Blah blah emotional strife. You know the drill.

Yeah same, while I know that Bamon have a significant fanbase, I've never been that into them in the past. But I must admit that I'm starting to see their appeal now, they do have a good chemistry when they're bantering

And lol yes, as soon as Elena was breezily assuring Caroline that if Damon does return then she'll just get Ric to being her memories back no problem, I knew that it wasn't going to be anywhere near that simple :P But then I've never understand why characters would want memories removed in the first place, it seems like a creepy concept to me, not to mention a lazy way of dealing with grief

And how did you find the other seasons of AHS?

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I agree about the Cas story-line. It's been tiring for a while... But, then I started thinking and what IS interesting about it this episode, is that Metatron's reason for doing what he did was for angels to get some experience being human and appreciating it - but some integrated while most could not understand at all despite it all. Actually, only a few of them actually did appreciate it aye? What is this difference between them?? Angels like Anna and Cas and these two, and then those like Hannah?

These ones who care about humanity should be the ones who are in Heaven defending it.

Yeah it just feels like the struggle for free will is something that they've covered a LOT in the past with Castiel, so it's not that interesting to keep going over it. But true that it's interesting that some angels like Castiel and Anna could desire free will, while the other angels seem incapable of it

I actually liked that they picked a more subdued moment between them instead of something so heightened as the kiss. Someone pointed it out that it's interesting how that necklace was a way for Stefan to keep Damon out of Elena's head but it ultimately let him into her heart. I wouldn't be surprised if that necklace comes into play with how they bring Damon back too, knowing this show.

I've talked with someone else about this erasing memories thing and I'm super annoyed by it. Even though I did enjoy hearing how he made her feel in some of those moments - taking her to the point Alaric took her was a little too far imo. I'm still clueless as to why Alaric couldn't have just compelled her to move on? I mean, was removing her love really necessary? oh wait, we have to have silly angst, nevermind. lol

And you know since Elena said so breezily that Alaric could return her memories, there is gonna be something that happens where he's not able to right away.

But at least Damon/Bonnie banter brought some fun moments. (=

Yeah that's a good point actually, Elena could have just wished to be compelled to move on and grieve for Damon in a healty way, instead of wanting to completely erase all memories of loving him. Something which also isn't very consistent with her past attitude of wanting to hold on to those memories, good and bad

And lol yeah, that was a dead giveaway as soon as Elena said it. But really, if she does believe there's the smallest chance that Damon might return and Alaric might need to return her original memories, then why consider this a good idea in the first place? The idea of asking for someone to riffle through my memories and rewrite them is just too creepy to me

And it wouldn't necessarily have to be the moment when Damon kissed her, I'm not sure what moment I'd pick actually, just those early season 3 episodes saw Elena as so committed to Stefan that I find it hard to believe that she was already IN love with Damon as well. I guess that I always associated her falling for Damon with later into season 3 after Stefan kept pushing her away, although certainly there was sexual tension between them before then

Something about his character, like his whole BFF thing with Damon, feels a little forced to me, almost like you can sense that the writers are trying as hard as they can to create another fan favourite

I think you're onto something there. Enzo just doesn't work for me.

I also enjoyed the Damon/Bonnie scenes, they were loads of fun. :D

It just all feels a little too calculated to me, like the writers are desperately trying to replicate what the fans liked about Damon's banter, about Damon/Alaric's friendship, even Klaus/Caroline. I did like his character when we first introduced to him, but it feels like a little too much thought then went into how they could make him a regular and insert him into the other characters lives. The whole bromance with Damon was way too sudden for me, and it just felt forced when he was fighting so desperately to overcome compulsion for Damon last season. I don't know, maybe the difference also is that him and Damon bonded more in those years that we didn't see as much of, so it feels less organic then say the friendship with Alaric where viewers watched them gradually growing closer

I agree. It's too rushed. It means the writers take short-cuts as well, and these don't always feel organic. Take this episode, where he saw that Caroline was upset at Stefan and therefore decided to kill Stefan's girlfriend. That's Damon bromance, asshole behaviour and Caroline wooing (blech) all tied up in one neat package, which is efficient I guess, but it's just so crude. Like, apparently he did it for Caroline and Damon and to punish Stefan for being an asshole, but he killed an innocent girl. So my only reaction is that Enzo is the asshole here. I'm not sufficiently engaged with his motivations to accept him casually murdering someone.

Urgh agreed, that really pissed me off because it felt like the writers were aiming to repeat the kind of stunts that they saw as making Damon so popular, but really why was Enzo so butthurt at Stefan for not being a good enough brother to Damon and driving Caroline away. Other than Damon, he barely even knows these characters!! He just feels like too much of a Damon wannabe from the writers at the moment

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Yep. Basically it fails for me on two levels. One, Enzo's motivation as you say in your comment. Two, the fact that he killed an innocent girl, which I think bears repeating.

Definitely, it bothered me enough last season when Damon still considered it acceptable to go on a killing spree after Elena breaks up with him, I could really do without another character snapping necks to make a point. I could tolerate it more with Damon in the first season when he was being presented more as a villain, but it seems like the characters are never truly allowed to grow and develop, we're supposed to just shrug off those murderous tendencies as character quirks :(

I think with Enzo, it is presented as more of a character quirk, yes. That's another reason I'm less enamoured by him.

I can't say much about current TV as I'm super behind on all of it. But I did really like AHS in the first season, "Murder House." It got crazy, but started off so nice and slow and really built up to the crazy. Then season 2 came and it was super crazy right from the start. I have to confess, that put me off it a little. I enjoyed when things got WTF-ish in season one, but I had time to get there. IDK. I might go back and watch Asylum and Coven and this new sideshow one. I mean, Kathy Bates, so...

not-worthy

She's great :)

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