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How sick am I of Noxon-bashing? Enough to break my rule of silence, certainly. I've had so many people rag on her for aspects of the show I developed, or praise me for things she came up with. She's been a vital part of everything people love about Buffy since she overhauled the halloween script in season two. She's as good a story-breaker as I've ever worked with. And she's a leader.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion, Vmars. You are uninformed and rude. That's mine.

joss

http://whedonesque.com/comments/12711

Go Joss! I love how Vmars just carries on making rude comments about the Spike show, and whining about the majority of people hate seasons 6 and 7, when the creator of the show was there himself, and taking offense to what he was saying.

Some people have no manners. And how can you still need to rant about it anyway? I understand feeling upset when the show is still airing, but Bts has been over for years now! Get a grip, and find some tv that you do enjoy and want to talk about. Geez

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Duuuuuuuuude! *claps* I am totally snagging this for my LJ! Thanks for pointing it out!

...I still don't understand why anyone disliked seasons 6 and 7! *cries*

And then he's banned for being a dumbass.

Fandom is so great sometimes.

And as a bonus, I got to read Joss calling Veronica Mars rude and uniformed! *g*

Yeah, I just hate Noxon bashing so much. Hate her decisions all you want, but critique her as a showrunner and writer. I find it so offensive when she's ragged on for using a storyline to fulfill some schoolgirl crush she has on an actor. Maybe they don't realize how sexist that comes across, but they really should.

Good for Joss. He is very professional by standing by Marti. I disliked her artistic choices and I disliked Joss supporting them but still, he did the right thing.

Oh Joss! Seriously so much love.

(I know my flist is going to be full of the bashing in the next few days... some of it from people I love...sigh)

Jesus, this one line made me LOL.

But what I'm saying is that I've formed an opinion on her from what I've read on the internet, and seen on Buffy.

Whereas, Joss, y'know, the guy who worked with her for years, knows jackshit.

vmars fails at life.

Go, Joss! I've always hated Marti being used as a scapegoat for everything fans don't like about the show. Frankly, I think the show wouldn't have been half as good without her bringing the sex and angst.

I'm really not a fan of Series 6 either (asides from Tabula Rasa and Once More With Feeling) - however, I do also get sick of Noxton bashing. She may have had a role in what I didn't like about the later series of the show, but there was a whole writing team involved, not to mention the fact that Joss was away working on new projects. Not solely her fault that it wasn't great (IMHO, of course).

Of course, I'm biased because she wrote some great Oz episodes, in which Seth Green was often shirtless. Hurrah! :D

While I have my issues with Marti and Joss, I have that generally it pisses me off when any poster behaves as though they are a spokesperson for the fandom at large. Hello. I have a big mouth and do too much posting. I can post for myself and I may not agree with you!

Really we can only ever speak about ourselves and perhaps a faction of the fandom. We never, ever speak for a fandom as a whole, especially a fandom as fractured and polarized as the Whedonverse, so VMars needs to shut the hell up. She/he/it isn't talking for me. I'm perfectly capable of talking for myself.

Go Joss!! Everyone has a right to their opinion, but be nice about it ...

I loved seasons 6 and 7, there are some great stand out episodes!

How cool would it be to say you got into a fight with Joss Whedon on the internet? Haha.

Honestly though, yeah, the person was rude considering they were aware that writers (especially Joss) read that forum. But at the same time I almost admire the balls to just get into a typical fandom argument with the guy who created the show. It was very amusing. Kinda overkill to ban the poster though, just because Joss posts there. Can you say asskissing? Heh.

I'm not a Marti fan, obviously. I think she was a brilliant writer and wrote some of my fave episodes but I also think she was majorly responsible for what *I* feel went downhill in the last two seasons. But of course I blame Joss as well. I'm an equal-opportunity blamer. *G*

Oy, this makes my head hurt even worse.

Good on Joss, good on Joss.

Hear hear with a cherry on top! I hate people who fasten on shows or books and end up acting like they know better than their creators. When I think what idiot fans did to Jack Kirby twenty or thirty years ago, I still feel murderous.

Vmars" is the name of a poster?

As for Noxon, from what I've heard about her I think she very much deserves the bashing. Not that I respect Joss or anything he says any more than I respect Noxon. God how I HATE him!

["And how can you still need to rant about it anyway? I understand feeling upset when the show is still airing, but Bts has been over for years now! Get a grip, and find some tv that you do enjoy and want to talk about. Geez"]

I think it's perfectly valid to still need to rant about what happened with BTVS. Some people made a strong connection with that show and when that happens a show getting totally fucked around can hurt deeply. If people can still be fans of Buffy four years after it ended then it's perfectly reasonable that they can still be bitter about it and still need to rant about it. I think there's a lot to be bitter about and I'm certainly still bitter about it. What happened with BTVS influenced how I've viewed all tv ever since. Made me a more cynical bitter tv fan. Heck, made me a more cynical bitter person. And no that's not too much for a tv show. Good tv is art, art is something you're meant to have feelings about. Sometimes some piece of art can end up meaning a lot. If somebody fucks that around it can end up hurting deep. It's no crime to feel deeply.