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Still attempting to process the utter perfection that was the Hannibal finale!
I'm really not sure what I can say about it at this point, except that it was the perfect ending for me to see Hannibal and Will kill together for the first time, and then fall to their deaths in an embrace. I'm really wondering now what's going on with the show being cancelled and all of the attempts to get a fourth season, because everything came SUCH full circle that I really don't see how the third season wasn't written and filmed with the intention of being the conclusion of their story? I guess you could have it so that they both survived somehow, but that's just not the vibe I got from it, it very much felt like the end to me. That was a huge relief quite honestly after I was dreading a possible cliffhanger along the lines of season 1 or 2 where you can kind of see how it would work as an ending, but it would still leave you frustrated and wondering where the story would have gone next. Whereas this felt like as much closure as we could have ever hoped for. I'm really curious to hear what Bryan Fuller will have to say about it all, and where he saw a fourth season as having gone. This does make me look at a few things differently tbh, like Bryan Fuller not seeming *that* desperate to work to work out a deal with amazon in the time allocated, presumably he was satisfied with season 3 as a conclusion to the story?
It seems that the post-credits is open to interpretation as I know that the most popular theory is that Bedelia has captured by Will and Hannibal, but my immediate assumption was that she was actually cannabilising herself? (Lol how this entry must be coming across to someone who has never watched the show!) I guess that I was already so convinced that Will and Hannibal were both dead, so I saw that scene as Bedelia having completely lost her mind and acting on her own fears of Hannibal coming for her... Idk, that's again something that I would be interested to hear from Bryan Fuller on. I'm wondering about Will's plans now as well, towards the end when he was talking with Hannibal it seemed like he was making it fairly clear that he planned for all three of them to end up dead, but earlier with his warning to Bedelia about the meat being back on the menu it seemed like he was originally planning to let Hannibal escape for real? It makes more sense to me though that his plan was always to take Hannibal out with him in a final gesture of self-sacrifice, it was really only the talk with Bedelia that suggested otherwise?
And wow, am I feeling bad for Chilton! I know the show kind of made a running joke of the injuries that he would walk away from each season, but man what were they going to do for an encore in season 4, gouge his eyes out!! I really felt that it would have been better if they had just killed him, he definitely got the worst fate of any character. At least with Mason there was black comedy to be had in him feeding his face to the dogs, and it's not like he didn't deserve it, but seeing Chilton's lips eaten off his face first of all was the most gruesome thing I have ever seen (forever marvelling at how American networks will allow that, yet give Bryan Fuller a hard time about possibly showing a butt crack), and then being as horrifically burned as he was. Poor Chilton, he really got screwed over and used by everyone :( I did appreciate that they changed the canon for that incident from Freddie to Chilton, IMO that was definitely the right call, but I think it would have been kinder if Chilton hadn't of survived it quite honestly. If there had been a fourth season, I wonder how they would have used his character...
The show did do a great job of having it both ways though, so that you're just as sickened as Will when he's confronted with the video and what he's done, and yet at the same time you can't help smiling at Hannibal's sheer glee and the 'tragedy' putting him in excellent humour. And that was a nice touch to use the line originally used for Will in Red Dragon, with Hannibal instead hoping that Chilton isn't too ugly now. (And my heart almost stopped when Will first got the knife through his face, at first I wasn't sure if they were going to kill him right there and then, but it certainly seemed like the show was going to use some of the RD ending in having his face ripped apart and horrifically scarred. Thank God his face wasn't too messed-up in the end!)
Oh and Will's "mic-drop" moment with Hannibal shines a new light on episode 308, because it seems to suggest that Will calculated that whole speech on not wanting to see or think about Hannibal any more knowing how Hannibal would react, rather than it actually being about him wanting to cut all ties with Hannibal? Although I suppose that interpretation still works as it was about Will wanting to end the chase with Hannibal, but at the time of 308 I didn't realise that Will was manipulating Hannibal and actually wanted him to turn himself in
And finally I have too many favourite moments to mention, but just a few would be Bedelia calling Will a 'twitchy little man' and going off on him, Hannibal's holding the door open for Will with 'going my way' (Awww), Hannibal's face when Will is attacked by ~the red dragon~, and finally their eye contact just before they *ahem* penetrate him and take him out together. My actual favourite moment is of course:
My only wish is that it was easier to find some discussion on the episode! I did attempt to navigate the tumblr tag and found some nice gifs, but I was mostly left utterly baffled at Supernatural fandom making parallels with Dean/Castiel, even though I don't see that they have anything in common at all with how Bryan Fuller saw and developed Will/Hannibal? But oh well, it's a case of YMMV I guess :P
It seems that the post-credits is open to interpretation as I know that the most popular theory is that Bedelia has captured by Will and Hannibal, but my immediate assumption was that she was actually cannabilising herself? (Lol how this entry must be coming across to someone who has never watched the show!) I guess that I was already so convinced that Will and Hannibal were both dead, so I saw that scene as Bedelia having completely lost her mind and acting on her own fears of Hannibal coming for her... Idk, that's again something that I would be interested to hear from Bryan Fuller on. I'm wondering about Will's plans now as well, towards the end when he was talking with Hannibal it seemed like he was making it fairly clear that he planned for all three of them to end up dead, but earlier with his warning to Bedelia about the meat being back on the menu it seemed like he was originally planning to let Hannibal escape for real? It makes more sense to me though that his plan was always to take Hannibal out with him in a final gesture of self-sacrifice, it was really only the talk with Bedelia that suggested otherwise?
And wow, am I feeling bad for Chilton! I know the show kind of made a running joke of the injuries that he would walk away from each season, but man what were they going to do for an encore in season 4, gouge his eyes out!! I really felt that it would have been better if they had just killed him, he definitely got the worst fate of any character. At least with Mason there was black comedy to be had in him feeding his face to the dogs, and it's not like he didn't deserve it, but seeing Chilton's lips eaten off his face first of all was the most gruesome thing I have ever seen (forever marvelling at how American networks will allow that, yet give Bryan Fuller a hard time about possibly showing a butt crack), and then being as horrifically burned as he was. Poor Chilton, he really got screwed over and used by everyone :( I did appreciate that they changed the canon for that incident from Freddie to Chilton, IMO that was definitely the right call, but I think it would have been kinder if Chilton hadn't of survived it quite honestly. If there had been a fourth season, I wonder how they would have used his character...
The show did do a great job of having it both ways though, so that you're just as sickened as Will when he's confronted with the video and what he's done, and yet at the same time you can't help smiling at Hannibal's sheer glee and the 'tragedy' putting him in excellent humour. And that was a nice touch to use the line originally used for Will in Red Dragon, with Hannibal instead hoping that Chilton isn't too ugly now. (And my heart almost stopped when Will first got the knife through his face, at first I wasn't sure if they were going to kill him right there and then, but it certainly seemed like the show was going to use some of the RD ending in having his face ripped apart and horrifically scarred. Thank God his face wasn't too messed-up in the end!)
Oh and Will's "mic-drop" moment with Hannibal shines a new light on episode 308, because it seems to suggest that Will calculated that whole speech on not wanting to see or think about Hannibal any more knowing how Hannibal would react, rather than it actually being about him wanting to cut all ties with Hannibal? Although I suppose that interpretation still works as it was about Will wanting to end the chase with Hannibal, but at the time of 308 I didn't realise that Will was manipulating Hannibal and actually wanted him to turn himself in
And finally I have too many favourite moments to mention, but just a few would be Bedelia calling Will a 'twitchy little man' and going off on him, Hannibal's holding the door open for Will with 'going my way' (Awww), Hannibal's face when Will is attacked by ~the red dragon~, and finally their eye contact just before they *ahem* penetrate him and take him out together. My actual favourite moment is of course:
My only wish is that it was easier to find some discussion on the episode! I did attempt to navigate the tumblr tag and found some nice gifs, but I was mostly left utterly baffled at Supernatural fandom making parallels with Dean/Castiel, even though I don't see that they have anything in common at all with how Bryan Fuller saw and developed Will/Hannibal? But oh well, it's a case of YMMV I guess :P
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I am torn between "Bedelia grabs the fork to defend herself" and "Bedelia sets a table for three but nobody shows up to eat her leg". I can't decide. It's like one of those optical illusions that jumps from one to the other.
If you're okay with anon-meme, FFA has some good discussion, and some good flailing: Hannibal thread (http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156144.html?thread=833421296#cmt833421296). But I think that the real discussion will come when it officially airs in the US. It will be great to follow the twitter storm - I love all the tidbits that Bryan Fuller and the rest of the crew bring. (And hopefully
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I am torn between "Bedelia grabs the fork to defend herself" and "Bedelia sets a table for three but nobody shows up to eat her leg". I can't decide. It's like one of those optical illusions that jumps from one to the other.
My interpretation is that she set up the extra place settings and had the fork ready because she had convinced herself that Hannibal was coming for her (she was already clearly very freaked out and unlike her usual controlled self in her conversation with Will about it), I could see that final scene as her having snapped as she looked so out of it. Although there is the argument that maybe she had simply been drugged by Hannibal and Will, but I would have expected a little more tension from her if that were the case, instead she seemed oddly accepting? But then another thing is that I don't think that Will was that far gone that he would have started eating people with Hannibal? I've seen some talk about him embracing evil with Hannibal, and true that he did kill for the first time without it being self-defence, but I still don't see anything inherently evil in him planning to take out a bad guy and a threat? Yeah he learned to appreciate the ~beauty~ of the kill with Hannibal, but IMO it's a stretch to then assume that him and Hannibal would going to become serial killers as a pair. I guess that I just can't believe that Will would ever be that far gone, so it's a little bit puzzling to me that so many people are taking that scene as Will's becoming exactly like Hannibal, even though it's not like they ate the red dragon together or anything like that! Again though it will be interesting to hear what Bryan Fuller intended for the fourth season, maybe it really would have been Hannigram as murder husbands, who knows! I just know that I need all the fic and all the fan video's after that finale *g*
And thanks for that link, I'll check it out :) I agree that the different scheduling didn't help, but it was frustrating trying to google 313 discussion of Hannibal and not knowing where to find anything. We always hear that Hannibal fandom is so huge because of tumblr, so you'd think that it would be easy to find lots of interesting and in-depth meta after the finale, and I have found some to be fair, but the discussion there is just so all over the place. What I wouldn't give for a LJ comm with handy links :sighs:
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There is a ton of Hannigram this season if you're into that! Particularly watch out for episodes 307, 308, and the finale of course :)
Honestly the finale helped me make peace with the show ending because I can't imagine it going out in a more perfect way (The current theory of murder husbands for season 4 sounds like it would be really trippy and fun, but for me idk it would also more of a fanfic version of the show, rather than accurate to Will's characterisation...I just can't picture Will sitting down and eating Bedelia with Hannibal, that's way more of a stretch to me than Bedelia doing some medical ~magic~ in managing to remove her own leg and elaborately prepare it)
I'm just not sure where else they could have taken it, it felt like everything got taken full-circle from the pilot and Hannibal finally got what he had been gunning for with Will all along. I am satisfied, and I think that Hannibal was too :D
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He pointed out that there was a setting for three at the table, so even though it as ambiguous in terms of "who" might return, it left it open for Hannibal to have survived.
Now I've read a funny (in a dark humour kind of way) interpretation of that coda: it didn't happen after the cliff scene but before. We don't know how much time had passed between the moment Will and Hannibal hit the road and the moment they arrived at the house near the cliff. So the theory is that they got Bedelia and "fixed" her...but then they never got to return to the dinner table, since Will's plan was to kill Hannibal and himself. But Bedelia would be waiting with her fork, incase Will had failed. I like that.
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The theory about an "out of time" coda was made by a fan, though, I don't think Fueller intended it that way, he probably just wanted to leave things open for a possible fourth season or tv film...in which case Hannibal (and probably Will) would have survived. Given what he said, I guess that in his mind, the coda worked too if they were dead because it meant that some other people might replace Hannibal and the "kitchen nightmare" wouldn't end!
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I mean the scene works for me just as well without the kiss certainly (although I am going to need to see those alternative takes :P ), but I disagree with Bryan Fuller's fears that a kiss would have just been serving the audience and not played with the story that they were telling. I don't think that Hannibal's interest in Will was sexual, but his blood was racing after the killing and feeling so close to Will, I think that a kiss could have very easily fit the intimacy of the scene without being all "Brokeback Mountain" and just about them wanting to screw. In a scene where Hannibal and Will were as intimate as two people could be, then yeah I can see Hannibal giving in to that impulse and Will responding in the moment. I don't necessarily view Hannigram as a sexual ship, but it certainly came across as the writers and actors wanting to portray a gothic romance (Hannibal carrying Will in his arms in 308, their embrace by the cliff etc), so I don't see why it's a kiss in particular that would have been the moment when the show took it too far into the realms of fan fiction. A passionate make-out would have felt like fan-service maybe, but a lingering kiss would have worked with that scene IMO
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As much as I didn't need to see them being physical with one another, I don't think it would have been OCC or would have not made sense, especially after that fight against the Red Drafon. The Eros/thanatos vibe was so strong there!
Actually, it would have made much more sense than Alana falling into bed with Margot, since we had never been shown any strong bond or attraction between them before the infamous sex scene.
Methinks that Fuller is struggling with his desire and his fears and prejudice here. He played with the idea of a romantic love story between thos two men but shied away from the logical outcome eventually.
The way he insisted on saying that Will was straight is significant. As if only non-straight people should have homsexual sex! The fact that Will isn't attracted to men in general doesn't mean he can't be physically attracted to THAT man with whom he already has the most intimate relationship.
It isn't as if the characters were asexual beings who never had sexual intimacy with anyone.
That said, the lack of kiss worked too.
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But then it's also interesting to think about how Will being heterosexual would work with his attraction to Hannibal, I read a very good post-finale fic along those lines...
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I don't watch the show (saw some of season one, and i just wasn't for me), but i have read Red Dragon and Silence of the Lambs. I had rather thought they were taking this to an ending that fit with the book 'verse?
I guess having Will become a murderer, as well, made it kind of impossible to keep him in the role of CIA/law enforcement after that.... Sounds pretty trippy! :)
There's always a discussion going on at Fandom!Secrets at DW - you can post anon, so if you don't have an account/don't want to be there as you. The second page of every secret post has tons of discussions, so if you started one over there, you'd get people to chat with. Or they will be chatting in the post today/sunday about it. There are fans over there.
http://fandomsecrets.dreamwidth.org/
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They've pretty much been all over the place with taking different parts of different books and fitting it into different timelines! It sounded like Bryan Fuller had a more definite plan to adapt each book as a separate season at first, but then got more drawn in by his own canon with Hannibal and Will? Everyone kept talking about hoping to see the show's version of Silence Of The Lambs, but at this point I find it hard to see how that dynamic would play in the series when so much of it is revolving around Hannibal's connection to Will
I guess having Will become a murderer, as well, made it kind of impossible to keep him in the role of CIA/law enforcement after that
Kind of, although he could have probably sold it as being self-defence against a known serial killer (or just blamed Hannibal for it lol), even though it was more than that by the end. The whole thing was originally a trap set up by the FBI to catch Francis Dolarhyde, but he derailed their plans, and then Hannibal and Will were later attacked by him and teamed up to kill him. It wasn't full on murderer evil from Will IMO, but it was a very big deal for Hannibal because he's always been pushing Will to appreciate the artistry of killing, and then Will finally killed with him and talked about how beautiful it was :P
Thanks for the link! :)
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And you're welcome! I can't think when the new F!S post goes up on a Saturday...I'm usually at work, so sometime this afternoon? Who knows! Case (the moderator) isn't in the US, and the time varies on the weekends.
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What happens to Price and Zeller?
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Freddie Lounds got it right when she called them murder husbands!
The killing scene was great especially the eye contact before finishing Dolarhyde (Mads jumping on Armitage's back was something!), and Francis finally gotting his blood wings as he was dying on the ground was a fantastic visual, but the whole plot that led there didn't work for me. I just don't like it when people are so incompetent...because Dolarhyde, who was alone, killed all those cops to allow the escape (head shots can't be faked). It made Jack look like a fool again.
Also, after what happened to Chilton, this is just much more blood on Will's hand and conscience. His killing the Red Dragon is nothing compared to all the innocents he got injured or killed lately. He didn't self-sacrifice, he sacrificed many people before throwing Hannibal and himself off the Chekhov cliff, and ending his cantlivewithhim/cantlivewithouthim torment. They completely ruined his character IMO. AT the end of the series, I have much more sympathy for someone like Frederic Chilton than for Will Graham.
As for the final scene with Bedelia. All I could think was: Wow that's some cleavage! I could have lived without that scene, though.
She did look completely stoned, so I guess it's supposed to mean that, at least Hannibal survived...in case a fourth season might happen.
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I was a bit confused at first with the escape plan and if that was how the FBI had intended it to go or not, I'm assuming that Francis derailed their original plan and they weren't planning on all of those dead cops? I blame Jack more than Will for the dead cops though tbh, he was always happy enough to go along with dangerous plans like that which put others at risk
I agree with having more sympathy for Chilton than anyone, they really made all of the main cast look like pretty awful and ruthless people in the end, even Alana was happy to go along with using Chilton for the greater good, when she had once been so vocal about disagreeing with Jack's pushing Will. And I agree that self-sacrifice is probably the wrong word for what Will did, it wasn't all that heroic a gesture as it was self-serving as well in a way, but I would still call it a sacrifice of a kind for him to know that he has to take Hannibal out for the safety of other people. Well it was a step above planning to run away with him at least, or when he called Hannibal to warn him that the FBI were coming :P
I think that I would have preferred it to end on Will and Hannibal's jump too for a more definitive ending, but I suppose that that final teaser does give fandom plenty to think about at least... And that was definitely some dress! I took the cleavage as a bit of a shout-out to Claricie's dress in the Hannibal film
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I took the cleavage as a bit of a shout-out to Claricie's dress in the Hannibal film
I didn't think of it but you're right. Even her looking so high recalled drugged Clarice.
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"So I’ve been thinking of giving Hannibal a chance, but I’m hesitant. Is it worth the nightmares? Because I’m pretty sure it will freak me the fuck out, but I’ve also been intrigued by it from the beginning, and I love all things Gillian Anderson. For the sake of context, a few of my other favorite dramas have been The Fall, American Horror Story, & The X-Files. So I don’t mind horror, but I do have a fine freak-out line when it comes to torture. AHS slid by there because I felt certain that Lana Banana & Sister Jude would be “okay” in the end, and that Bloody Face would get his. Is the torture element on Hannibal gratuitous in your opinion? Or does it simply add to the show’s depth?"
And, frankly, I want to be spoiled re: Bedelia's ending before I watch it (if I do). Is it implied that she's not going to get away in the end then?
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And Bedelia is in the last scene of the series, she's sat at a dinner table with what appears to be a leg of something that is very elaborately prepared, then the camera comes downwards and you see that one of her legs have been amputated. She's still alive at the end of the series though, it's IMO ambiguous as to whether Hannibal has captured her or not, but season 3 did have a running thread of Bedelia worrying about Hannibal being about to eat her
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ETA: Plus, I have the feeling GA's character would end up being my fave, and I'm not sure I'm in the right head-space to see a fave character get such a disturbing ending (with it being potentially implied that she's going to watch her own leg be eaten, though oddly enough I think I'd be more okay with your first idea -- that she was just eating her own leg, but hadn't been captured). Too bad though, because it does sound like the show for sure has a lot of strengths.
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I have to admit, I very much liked the additional scene at the end of the credits with Bedelia, because it left us with enough to be curious about what it could mean. We got our closure, in a sense, for everything else, but there was this little teaser, leaving it open for personal interpretation. Obviously it makes me wonder what Bryan intended for a fourth season and how he would have explained the ending with Will and Hannibal, and whether what we see of Bedelia is a flashforward to sometime in the future where she is accompanied by them. But it does make you question, since I've been wondering a lot about Bedelia's state of mind since she was told that Hannibal would be "set loose", she seemed quite unsettled by the very notion. She knew, much like Alana knew, that Hannibal wouldn't hesitate to kill and eat her if given the chance. So perhaps she went into a meltdown and basically had her leg cut off so she could eat herself? IDK. Regardless though, I do like the air of mystery surrounding just that one post-credit scene. It leaves us much to speculate.
Although I am still kind of holding hope that somehow we'll be getting a continuation of this universe in some form or another, I'm going to miss this show. It was such a treat to watch, with all its grotesquely gorgeous visuals and the writing and the brilliance of the actors.
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Bryan has since said that he's surprised that anyone took it as Bedelia amputating her own leg, that it was meant to come across as her being terrified and hiding the fork ready to attack. Honestly I'm surprised if terrified was what they were going for, it just didn't read that way to me at all, even if she had been drugged she still seemed so completely out of it and relaxed that my immediate thoughts were that she had finally snapped in some way. I like that interpretation of it more actually that she had prepared her leg for Hannibal, and that she was going to be waiting in vain for someone who was never going to arrive *g*
Although I am still kind of holding hope that somehow we'll be getting a continuation of this universe in some form or another, I'm going to miss this show. It was such a treat to watch, with all its grotesquely gorgeous visuals and the writing and the brilliance of the actors.
:nods: My immediate reaction was that that was the perfect ending for me and let's just leave it on that final image of Will and Hannibal, but since hearing Bryan Fuller's interviews about how the most interesting chapter in Will's story has yet to be told, now I really want some more! It sounds like a film is most likely in a year or so when Bryan has more time, apparently they're trying to get financing for it at the moment
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I really liked the ending. It's open, yes and if they do Silence of the Lamb it would be easy enough to get Hannibal back into jail with an explanation of finding him "nar death" in the water and bundling him back. In that case I'm fairly certain Graham is dead. I know he isn't in the books, but then he and Hannibal didn't have this relationship. I don't think this Hannibal could ever be interested in anyone else as long as Graham is still alive, but I could imagine he would latch on to Clarice if he has lost Graham. I can't say I feel a particular need to see more of Hannibal, though. I'm sure they could do something amazing with Clarice as they have managed that with so many other characters, but I would be afraid it would be something of a letdown.
I do feel Graham finally went over the edge, so if they have survive, then I'm sure Hannibal is getting what he wanted all along.
I saw the ending as Bedelia having mutilated herself. She has proved before that she has excellent survivial skills and she's very likely not completely sane anymore. She's well aware of Hannibal always fulfilling his promises and offering him her leg would mean he could eat her and let her live (if he wanted to). Which I think she is counting on. It's also very possible, IMO, that she has done this as a way to try to call Hannibal back from the death. The scene can very much be seen as an offering; a "I give you what you want only you come back to life and to me." I'm pretty sure I spotted oysters on the table, so I don't think she has cooked herself for herself, but for Hannibal and Graham.
Of course, it could be read as she has been captured by Hannibal, but somehow I don't think so. Though someone must have assisted her into cutting off her leg and preparing the food of course... In that case the scene could very well be a way of saying that Hannibal and Graham has survived and Bedelia is with them. I'm not so sure she would be counted on as a captive in that case, though. With the previous possibility of Hannibal/Graham/Abigail living in some sort of menage trois, I think Hannibal/Graham/Bedelia is as well.
I still prefer thinking of them falling to their deaths, though.
I read this article about the ending that I quite liked: http://www.tor.com/2015/08/31/hannibal-series-finale-why-you-should-watch/
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I shouldn't have liked this show because I find blood and bodies hard to watch, but even if it squicked me at times in those terms. (Well, fairly often) the rest of it was so worth it.
Heh same, I'm mostly okay with the show because of how arty the violence is, the main time I have to look away is with anything involving eyes!
I can't say I feel a particular need to see more of Hannibal, though
At the moment I'm happy either way. At first I was completely satisfied with this as an ending, but the more Bryan Fuller talked about his future plans, the more I feel my need growing for more of the story *g*
And that's how the ending with Bedelia struck me as well, but apparently Bryan Fuller was surprised that so many of us interpreted it that way, it was supposed to come across as she had been captured and was terrified, although I really don't get that from Gillian's performance
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It really was the first thing that Went through my mind- she has cut off her own leg!
I followed your link in the comment and read the interview. I never thought about Bedelia being captured by someone else, but that is of course a possibility. I know Fuller wanted to include Hannibal's uncle but he wanted Max von Sydow who wasn't available right then.
I know Brian Fuller is going to make Neil Gaiman's American Gods now, and I look forward to it. I love the book and after watching Hannibal I really want to see what Fuller makes of it!
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I haven't read American Gods and have very little idea of what it's about, but I'll probably check out an episode or two and see what I think! I'm hit and miss on his shows though tbh, I LOVED Hannibal and Dead Like Me, but I couldn't get into Wonderfalls or Pushing Daises at all. I guess that I prefer his darker stuff
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American Gods is one of my favorites and it isn't exactly sunny. The prmise is that every god that has ever been worshipped in America, stays there for ever, even with their powers diminished. It starts with the main character getting out of prison and looking forward to see his wife. Only she dies in a car accident before he gets home. And then he is offered a job by the mysterious Mr. Thursday who tells him the gods are going to war and they start to travel across USA meeting various gods and other entitites, some who are not very nice at all. For example there is a town where a child disappears every winter since forever.
So I think Brian Fuller can do something good. (I'ce actually never seen Wonderfalls and Pushing Daisies).
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Pushing Daisies is an acquired taste I suppose you would say as many people seem to really love it, but I just found it very whimsical and saccharine quite honestly! The visuals were very beautiful and it was certainly well-done, but I found that I couldn't connect to it on any kind of real level because it came across as such a storybook sort of show, even the narration for it would really pull me out of the story
I liked Wonderfalls a little more than Pushing Daisies actually, I found the main character there a lot more relatable, but I guess that the plots were just a little too quirky for my taste.