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I can't be even slightly tactful about this any more, you have GOT to be kidding me

I’ve learned that Black Lightning, the high-profile drama based on the DC character, which had a big production commitment at Fox, is on the move and likely to land at the CW. The project comes from Greg Berlanti, king of the CW’s DC universe...I hear Fox brass ultimately decided that the superhero show was not a good fit into its already crowded genre drama space that includes the DC/WBTV series Gotham and Lucifer

(Article is found on deadline, but won't let me link because of 'spam patterns being detected')

Nothing against this show in particular, but it's starting to look like every single 8pm timeslot on the CW is going to be DC shows from Greg Berlanti next year! (And that's not including Riverdale). Meanwhile their other shows orders are being drastically cut, and we've got to wait until April for iZombie :(

Enough already! If they're going to have 5 out of 10 hours devoted to superhero shows with very similar formulas, can they at least *consider* expanding to the same three hours per night as the other networks?! I wouldn't care as much if they had more space for other genres of shows, but as it is, it's starting to look like they must as well rename the network if Black Lightning goes ahead. Over half of their output is going to be by the same voice next year in that case

Date: 2017-02-03 12:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I totally agree. I don't even care for the superhero stuff, so this is extra irritating for me. I do like iZombie, Supernatural and The Originals and I was super pissed about 2 of those 3 getting bumped to midseason slots, if you can even call it midseason.

Which is to say, I know others do like the superhero shows and that;s fine, but it's getting to be to the exclusion of all else.

Date: 2017-02-03 12:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I don't either. I know that a lot of my flist do really like those shows, so I generally try and be a little more tactful about it lol, but damnit this is really excessive! I used to watch heaps of different shows on the CW, and I appreciated how they marketed a lot of different shows towards young women, but it now feels like they only care about becoming the DC hour. When they only have slots for ten shows, this is getting to be a bit much to have 5 of said slots filled by the same kind of shows

Maybe it won't get picked-up, we'll have to wait and see I suppose, but I'm already bracing myself for five day crossover events being planned for next year

Date: 2017-02-03 02:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I like superheroes and I watch a few superhero shows, so more shows mean more choices, but this is getting a little bit excessive...

Date: 2017-02-03 06:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I wouldn't mind so much if they didn't only have 10 hours a week to fill, having 5 of those hours dedicated to the same Bertalini shows doesn't give us much of a variety of shows :(
Edited Date: 2017-02-03 06:43 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-02-03 06:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I agree, I love all the superhero shows right now but 5 seems to be a bit much for one network. Especially when, like you said, they only have 2 hours or programs on each night. Maybe they should expand and do 3 hours.

Date: 2017-02-03 06:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I think that would be a good solution. It's hard not to begrudge half of the slots going to Berlanti shows when it's only ten hours a week, because that means that other shows like izombie get shortened. If they could fit an extra hour of programming in for each day, then that would be something at least

Date: 2017-02-03 07:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Another one? 0____0 Okay now they're way too many, yesterday (on NBC) another show related to heroes started, it's a comedy called Powerless, I watched the pilot because: Alan Tudyk and Danny Pudi are in it... I had to watch 20 minutes of Vanessa Hudgens because of them, but I won't keep watching it! And it's connected to Batman somehow... So another DC show! *sarcastic* YAY

I agree the formula of Supergirl, Flash, Arrow and LoT is the same, they share also evil guys! There is the hero (Kara, Barry, Oliver, Hunter/Nate), the sideckick who has the same powers of the hero (Mon-El, Wally, Speedy, whomever acts as Captain) the geek (Winn, Cisco, Felicity, Ray) the powerless hero (Alex/Jimmy, Iris/Wells, Diggle, Sarah) the father figure/officer (J'onn, Joe, Capt Lance, Dr Stein) ,... The only show that changes a little is actually LoT but the other 3 are exactly the same. Don't get me wrong, I watch them and I enjoy them as entertainment but that's it!

Lucifer is different for me instead... I love Lucifer, Lucifer is my new Castle but better! <3 but yes, it's on Fox and Fox has a variety of shows...

The CW should has nice shows though! I think Crazy ExGirlfriend is definitely different and also Jane the Virgin can be fun! But yes, I hear you... Enough with the super heroes, give space to something else or expand to three hours per night...

Date: 2017-02-04 12:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I suppose it makes sense how similar they all feel, because they are all superhero shows from Greg Belanti, so similar tones are going to come across. Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, and Gotham are obviously based on comic book superheroes as well, but they have a very different feel because they come from different showrunners, whereas it's starting to feel like the CW is all Belanti shows all the time

I want to give Lucifer another shot sometime! I watched the pilot and I did enjoy it, I really liked the main character, but I ended up not watching any more because I wasn't that excited about a cop show. My flist has been raving about it so much lately though that I really want to sit down again with it again and finish the first season sometime

Date: 2017-02-04 03:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Similar tones: yes. The same show with different characters... not so cool!

Exactly, JJ DD LC & co are different, the only thing they have in common is that they're darker than the CW shows, but as for the rest: different! :)

You should watch Lucifer. I am not a big fan of procedural or cops shows either, but this is different... The characters are VERY interesting. The cases are quite marginal an there are a lot of interactions between the main characters. Other procedurals/crime shows give you a little every episode (usually beginning and end) but Lucifer is great! You'll enjoy it! I'm sure!

Date: 2017-02-03 08:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Oh well... I mean, so far I'm still watching all of those shows, but I'm not exactly happy with at least 2 if not 3 of the 4 of them and only REALLY enjoy one of them at the moment and hearing there will be another one? Is there anything other than superhero and cop shows these days?

Date: 2017-02-04 12:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
That's kind of how it's starting to feel :( I'm happy for people that are into those shows, but it just feels like overkill to me lately quite honestly, especially with how limited the space is on the CW's schedule. iZombie, The Originals, and The Vampire Diaries all had to be cut back because of that...

Date: 2017-02-03 09:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I am happy that TPTB finally figured out how to make good supers TV shows and movies, but it's gotten ridiculous. I really want some other concepts and themes going on.

Date: 2017-02-04 12:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
It would be nice if they bothered to mix it up a bit, every night of the week dedicating half of the schedule to the same kind of shows is just boring to me

Date: 2017-02-03 11:59 pm (UTC)
molly_may: (Oliver Queen)
From: [personal profile] molly_may
Ugh, agreed. I don't have anything against the superhero shows (I still like Arrow!), but having so many of them is so BORING. I love the CW because it is great at putting quirky shows on the air that aren't really like anything else - Crazy Ex-Girlfriend, iZombie, Jane the Virgin, etc. - but right now it's starting to feel like the Greg Berlanti Superhero Channel.

Date: 2017-02-04 12:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I guess the problem is that those kind of shows seem to be the only ones that make any kind of impact on the ratings, Frequency, Riverdale, and, No Tomorrow all pretty much flopped from what I understand, so I can understand why more DC shows seem like the easy answer to that.

I don't get why their other shows don't do better actually, I thought that Riverdale would be a surefire hit for example, yet it's already only getting 0.4 in the demo in its second episode, and Frequency too has really low ratings, even though it had pretty positive buzz in the beginning

Date: 2017-02-04 01:32 pm (UTC)
molly_may: (Pacey ask me to stay - misscla)
From: [personal profile] molly_may
I didn't realize that Riverdale was getting such terrible ratings. I watched the first two episodes, and I'll keep watching for a little while even though I'm not sure that I actually like the show. It feels very much like the first season of Dawson's Creek, only with a murder mystery thrown in.

Date: 2017-02-04 02:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I watched the first ten minutes of the pilot, but then I kind of stalled with it lol. I need to finish the pilot at least before I can properly decide what I think of it, but this is the first teen show where I've felt like I'm starting to get a bit too old to connect with the characters :(

I was pretty excited for another Pretty Little Liars teen murder mystery type show, but Idk maybe I've just seen that same old formula with the Betty, Veronica, Archie characters on too many shows in the past, it feels tired, and I really didn't feel motivated to keep watching
Edited Date: 2017-02-04 02:25 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-02-04 05:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
As much as I love the Superhero stuff. I hate that shows like iZombie gets pushed to April.

Date: 2017-02-04 05:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I was originally hoping that it would get at least 16/17 episodes, but only having 13 episodes, and even then not until April, makes it feel like such an afterthought:(

Some shows do benefit from tighter seasons and less filler, but the second season made good use of those extra episodes, so it's really a shame to see it being cut back to half a season.

Date: 2017-02-04 07:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Ugh. Seriously? Only 13? and it starts in April? W.T.F. Yeah...

Yeah. It really is. I think the CW is obsessed with the Superhero shows.

Date: 2017-02-04 02:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Yep, I was originally expecting it to come back in January at least, all of the episodes have wrapped up filming by now, but it looks like they just couldn't find space for it in their schedule any earlier

Date: 2017-02-05 07:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I guess. Because I think they just have too many shows that they renewed. So their waiting for most of them to end so they can air iZombie and The Originals.

Date: 2017-02-05 11:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Yeah I suspect that when they took on Supergirl at the last minute that they had to shuffle one or two shows around because of that. They generally have a pretty full schedule when it comes to renewing all of their shows, so it seems like they've settled on shortened seasons as a solution to that. I'm happy to have 16 episode seasons, but just 13 episodes is kind of a bummer when it's a show that you really enjoy

Date: 2017-02-06 07:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Probably. Yeah. 13 might be a little too short. :P

Date: 2017-02-04 08:56 pm (UTC)
yourlibrarian: Angel and Lindsey (Default)
From: [personal profile] yourlibrarian
I agree with you, it's just overkill and also a terrible strategy on the part of the CW. Superhero fatigue is bound to set in and then what?

I also agree that the shows are, on the whole, dull. I tried out all of them and have watched some for several seasons but I'm only still watching The Flash now. I suspect I won't be keeping up with it past this season either.

Mind you, there have been and still are a whole score of police or medical shows but even so you don't have a network with a different one of them every night...

Date: 2017-02-04 09:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Exactly, overkill is the word! I couldn't help having an inner groan when I heard about this new show, because I could already picture the CW getting excited for advertising a five night crossover event. It feels like a lazy way of promoting to me quite honestly, tying half of your line-up to one another in the hopes that more viewers will check out shows that are all loosely tied together

I watched the pilot for Supergirl, and I probably watched about 9/10 episodes of The Flash, but they just weren't for me. I don't begrudge those that do enjoy those shows, it would just be nice to get a little more choice if the CW are going to stick with just ten hours of programming each week
Edited Date: 2017-02-04 09:06 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-02-04 11:05 pm (UTC)
yourlibrarian: Angel and Lindsey (Default)
From: [personal profile] yourlibrarian
The crossover episodes also aren't very good. The last one I saw did make an effort to pick up on story threads based on the fact that characters that usually didn't interact were in the same place, but the problem is that there are entirely too many people standing around needing something to do. And especially when one of them, like Supergirl, is so much more powerful than the rest, fights are pretty unbalanced.

Date: 2017-02-05 04:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Lorelai Gilmore: He’s a superhero, but his power is no matter how much time you spend with him, you can’t remember him. KINDA LIKE EVERY MARVEL MOVIE EVER.

Date: 2017-02-05 07:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
One of my favourite quotes from the revival *g*

Date: 2017-02-05 04:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
i understand where you are coming from but the superhero shows are the ones that bring the ratings for the CW,meanwhile pretty much all other shows are far behind so from a business POV,it totally makes sense!
CBS has procedurals,NBC has all the Chicago shows,isn't that the same anyway?

Date: 2017-02-05 07:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Oh I can definitely understand why they go for those shows from a business POV, it's just starting to frustrate me that it feels like it's taking over a network that was one of my favourites when they were gearing their show towards young females. Nowadays it's the same DC shows on every night but Friday, so I can't help groaning when I hear that there's probably going to be another of those shows next year for Friday's as well. When the CW only has two hours programming per night, and nothing on weekends, that's pretty overwhelmingly making them the Greg Bertolini network! It felt like there was more of a variety of showrunners and different voices before

It does make sense why the CW would go for them though, as they always seem like a surefire hit. I really don't understand why the American public only seem to want to watch Superhero shows on the CW actually, meanwhile Jane The Virgin and Crazy Ex-Girlfriend are getting critical acclaim and attention, but for some reason can't get more than 0.2 or 0.3 in the demo :(

Date: 2017-02-06 01:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Yeah I was sad to read this, too. Unfortunately their two non super hero shows that started in the fall both flopped so I can see why they are doing this. On the other hand, there's the danger of over saturating the market with one kind of show.

And eternal sighs about iZombie. I hope it has a chance for a fourth season.

Date: 2017-02-06 02:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Yeah I can see why it appeals from a business POV to go for the obvious ratings-hit, but in some ways it's just as risky to not take risks, because it's really setting them up as pretty niche if they do commit to half of their entire line-up being the DC hour. I mean it's not just one kind of show even, they're all from the same showrunner as well, so it's inevitable that they're all going to have boringly similar tones

And I remain hopeful with iZombie, I've always heard that a show getting a third season is usually a guarantee of a fourth, so fingers crossed
Edited Date: 2017-02-06 02:25 am (UTC)

Date: 2017-02-06 03:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
So wait, it was slated for Fox first, but then ends up at CW? Though isn't NBC getting another DC spinoff look alike (which is funny given how Supergirl went)?

CW might as well rename itself DC TVverse that don't actually tie into the cinematic DC universe. And I know that CW likes to do things in bundles, ie Vampire Diaries, Originals, etc, but this is a little overboard at this point. Though, I can't see them letting go of Supernatural any time soon.

Date: 2017-02-06 03:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Apparently Fox changed their minds about it because they already had several genre shows and didn't want to overcrowd their schedule with them, so yeah it sounds like a similar situation to Supergirl where the CW is the back-up option for any DC shows

Date: 2017-02-06 10:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]

Just speculating, but it could have something to do with Warner Bros owning DC. Or most of it. It's probably cheaper, perhaps.

I've definitely done with comic book stuff. I'll check out Guardians 2 because that's sort of its own thing. At least the first one was.

Date: 2017-02-06 10:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I'm not completely opposed to comic book shows if they have an intriguing premise, but honestly a big part of my irritation is that it's all Greg Berlanti shows that the CW keep picking up, so they've all got such similar tones. It feels like nearly half of the network is already one giant crossover show almost

But yeah, I think it's definitely to do with how much money they make for the CW, and I suppose you can't really fault them for that from a business point of view :/

Date: 2017-02-23 02:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Whoa, that is wild. Guess CW doesn't mind sticking to one genre... It's ridiculous that iZombie isn't back on until April. I'm still bummed about that.

Date: 2017-02-24 02:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Same, I really hope it's not a sign that they're giving up on the show :(

Date: 2017-02-28 04:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I was trying to gauge if that's the case - it seemed like they did a lot of promo last year though. I was hoping maybe the actors had difficult schedules this year and that's why it doesn't have an earlier release.
Edited Date: 2017-02-28 04:21 am (UTC)

Date: 2017-02-28 09:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I think they did film it at the usual time though, they've already wrapped up filming now, the CW just couldn't find room for it on their schedule any earlier I guess

Date: 2017-03-01 09:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Uh oh, that doesn't sound good.

Date: 2017-03-02 12:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
That's what I fear :( Cutting it down to 13 episodes as well makes it seem like they just gave it one last season to wrap the show up, but we'll see in May/June time I guess

Date: 2017-03-02 04:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I'll cross my fingers for some awesome ratings this season.


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