On one hand I agree, but like I said, I don't think Angel was ever about redemption. That was Joss talking, even after S5. In fact, the whole redemption/reward angle is one of the reasons Angel and the character never appealed much to me. For one, Angel=/=Angelus. For another I don't agree with the idea that there is some secret number you can hit where good balances out bad. You have to do the things you do because you believe they're right, not because of the thought of reward. S4's retcon sort of fixes that in revealing the whole redemption path was just a carrot to dangle to get Angel to do what the PTB wanted.
The whole redemption stuff on AtS and the way it sort of contrasts to BTVS has always been a problem for me. Mostly because on AtS they never ask/answer the question of why any of them get to be redeemed when others, who've done less, don't.
Like I said, Angel was really about small victories to me, finding a family and a home and fighting for them. Angel trying to find a place in the world he doesn't (at the time) have a connection to. S5 is really just a destruction of that.
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On one hand I agree, but like I said, I don't think Angel was ever about redemption. That was Joss talking, even after S5. In fact, the whole redemption/reward angle is one of the reasons Angel and the character never appealed much to me. For one, Angel=/=Angelus. For another I don't agree with the idea that there is some secret number you can hit where good balances out bad. You have to do the things you do because you believe they're right, not because of the thought of reward. S4's retcon sort of fixes that in revealing the whole redemption path was just a carrot to dangle to get Angel to do what the PTB wanted.
The whole redemption stuff on AtS and the way it sort of contrasts to BTVS has always been a problem for me. Mostly because on AtS they never ask/answer the question of why any of them get to be redeemed when others, who've done less, don't.
Like I said, Angel was really about small victories to me, finding a family and a home and fighting for them. Angel trying to find a place in the world he doesn't (at the time) have a connection to. S5 is really just a destruction of that.