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Well the sex scandals alone would be enough to sink him!

Multiple marriages
Sex and (marriage!) with a teenage girl

and of course - sex with a teenage boy - maybe more than one.

*giggles* Yeah, Lionel's really the master of spin in that family IMO.

Why not? Look at the asshole we have now.

Lol well I'm not going to pass comment on that, because as a non-American I never know if I will offend or not there :P

Why not?

I've spend six seasons watching pretty much everyone disliking Lex, so I can't ever picture him winning over the majority enough for them to vote him as President. Lionel certainly could, in Arrow he was happily escorting Martha to events, making sandwiches in the Kent kitchen in Mercy. But I think Lex is going to suck at politics quite honestly. Even when he got someone swearing devotion to him, and shaving her head in his honour, she still ended up trying to kill him in the space of a few days. She was no Mercy or Hope :.

Trust me--asshole. Capital Ass, little hole.

That's precisely the reason that I think Lex will make it as President Luthor. Lex will tell the people what they want to hear, he's very attractive, and he will manipulate some world situation that will convince the American people that only he can carry them through the crisis. He's smart as hell, so he won't leave gaping logic holes like some presidents I could name. The only thing he's got to do is avoid the Ice Cream Suit. White suits don't do well with Americans.

But then nobody ever does trust Lex. They always read him as having some ulterior motive.

I suppose that things could change later on, but so far in six seasons it's been pretty consistent that Lex hasn't improved his tactics in winning people over at all. In early season 5 his political career was a complete failure, whereas at least in Drone it was mentioned that of course he won as class president when Clark asks (considering 16 year old Lex in Reunion though, I'm not sure if that season 1 characterization still stands.)

Considering how he couldn't even beat out Jonathan Kent in a state senate race...

Exactly. I've read wonderful future fics, but more and more reading of President Lex seems so comic book, and separate from SV Lex to me. How can you be voted President when nobody likes you? We saw Lex spend years trying to win people over, and never getting anywhere. And then there's Lionel's very quick success at putting up a clever facade for the Kent's, whilst still being basterly (er sp?) with Lex behind the scenes

I'm still rooting for him. I'd be front/center before the TV for every State of the Union Address!

Hee. Much as I love Lex, I honestly don't think that he has what it takes to win people over. Reunion just emphasized to me that he sucks at human interaction, and doesn't know how to relate to people/win them over. He tries, but yeah

In L&C, and in the comics, I believe the premise is that Lex was Metropolis's Golden Boy until Superman comes along? Whereas everyone in SV seems to see Lex as that creepy spoilt brat that has something inherently dark about him, and is always up to no good in some way

Reunion just emphasized to me that he sucks at human interaction, and doesn't know how to relate to people/win them over. He tries, but yeah

Interesting point. You know, despite all the "Luthors are unprincipled, money-grubbing bastards" comments dating back to S1, the image I had of Lex in S1 was of someone who really turned around the Luthorcorp plant and was a good manager and boss, as well as a person who was good at diplomacy, business relations and pulling strings for people, which would certainly take some social skills. In situations involving friends of Clark's (usually--Chloe, his parents) he was usually very cordial. In other words, a brilliant and potentially very successful young man. I guess it was more hinted at than shown. I'd like to think that all those girls hanging off him in the early days weren't just there for the $$$, but for his personality, not to mention the great sex! True, in "Cool," Martha referred to him as "Arrogant, and a little strange" (although they never showed him being particularly "arrogant" with Martha--offscreen action, again?). But a lot of people would fit that description!

I agree that, especially of late, they've been portraying him as "someone who sucks at interaction," but why? Are we supposed to think that people just sense his BADNESS? I know some RL people just give off a vibe that puts people off...

I have no answers, just kicking the subject around.

And, hee, you know me, Silver-Age Maven...SA Lex Luthor was a scientific genius in high school, and, after he went bad, was abandoned by his family and then was generally a convict who spent all his time either in prison working on evil inventions to a.) get out of prison and/or b. get the better of Superman. or else having some adventure due to having escaped from prison--he'd invariably get thrown back in the end by Supes.

Since Smallville focuses on the stumbles the characters make in their youth, I can still see Lex becoming president. If Lex kept getting his way in the show, I think he'd become boring fast. And he was always kind of out of place in Smallville.

I think when he totally comes out of his father's shadow (something I don't think he can do until lionel dies or is way way out of the picture) we'll see him as someone who can win the presidency.

And really? It's not always about being a great person. It's about knowing the right thing to say and knowing how to play the game. We can see for sure he knows how to play it. It's just that the show has to have Clark and co foil his plans most of the time. Now only do I believe Lex has enough charisma to get him elected someday, I am willing to bet he can rig the electoral college to get him in, too.

Since Smallville focuses on the stumbles the characters make in their youth, I can still see Lex becoming president.

But Lex was already 21 in season 1, so he must be at least 27/28 by now. And the show hasn't developed Lex becoming smoother at pulling the wool over peoples eyes at all. I would have expected the show to begin with season 1 Lex struggling to impress, and then starting to gradually win over people. Perhaps it could have been presented as quite sinister if Lex starts to impress people, just has he has started lying, and given up on turning his life around. But regular, or one-off episode guest star, still no one seems to care for Lex much

Now only do I believe Lex has enough charisma to get him elected someday

I personally have always found Lex charismatic, but the characters in SV do seem to consistently find him (to quote Acampbell's mention of Martha in Cool) "arrogant and a little strange". Not to mention possibly creepy because of the past following him around with Julian. He certainly fell flat on his face when he even ran for a local election in early season 5. That should have seen Lex starting to perfect the mask he will present to the public. But it doesn't seem that people were buying it for a second, the only character we were allowed to se giving a passionate speech to win over the voters was Jonathon

WORD.

His stint in Belle Reve should be enough to preclude him right there.

Of course, in comics canon, he was kinda-sorta still supposed to be his own son, I think, at the time of his election. That whole plot was just convoluted beyond all belief.

I've been trying to skip the tl;dr, but I'm going to have to (hence the warning icon)

Last I heard, the criminal Lex was supposed to have been a clone while the real Lex was held prisoner somewhere. It's never been explained to my satisfaction who had cancer, or why Lex now has two hands.

So I think that the "real Lex" who was being held prisoner must have been the son, while the original "real Lex" died in the plane crash, and the evil clone kidnapped the son right after he arrived from Australia and took over, and . . . .

Anyway, I think that if SV!Lex does something with the clone and the brain-swap, he might be able to shed the cloud that he's been living under and get elected.

Perhaps.

Goodness, that does sound complicated!

I think it's as plausible as anything else on that show.

Btw, my comments on the final eps of Doctor Who season 3:

http://sum1-different.livejournal.com/103743.html?mode=reply

http://sum1-different.livejournal.com/103646.html

Thanks for the links :)

It totally seems like Lex has gotten *less* smooth throughout the seasons, instead of moreso. Which is very sad.

I can still believe that Lex can learn a thing or two from the Magnificent Bastard before stepping out of his shadow for the last time. However, we'd actually have to SEE this sinister and charsimatic Lex winning people over, not be notified of this development via text message. :P

Yep, in Drone when Clark asks if he had won when running for class president, it's "of course". Yet Reunion shows Lex to have been very unpopular at school, and that was even before his beating up of Duncan, which would surely have worsened his rep if anything!

I have to agree with you. Not only does everybody hate him even when he's NOT being "evol" I can imagine this version of JL doing some heinous crap to stop him from winning.

Exactly, in SV it's like everyone can just sense Lex's aura or something! The writers seem to have completely ignored the future will need to see Lex become a success at politics, as he failed miserably in season 5 when he tried with a state senate. And that was when he would have been 26 I think?

Not only that but I can't picture the currently written SV Clark becoming Superman. :(

Hee, well that's what got me thinking about it actually! People often discuss how Clark is never going to be Superman after his behaviour in Promise, and I was thinking that I can't see either Lex or Clark becoming those big sweeping figureheads of Superman and President actually. I think SV has just presented them both as too small-scale if that makes any sense. I can more see Lex spending his life tinkering with Level 33.1 in the dark, and Clark spending his life furtively saving people, and then hiding in the barn to mope over Lana..

Hourglass presented Lex as President obviously, but I personally haven't seen Lex growing towards that white suited figure at all in the past 6 years. It just doesn't fit for me, the show has developed him towards darkness, but not towards winning people over.

Hee, it was Lois for me actually who got me to look at both Lex and Clark. I had a 'revelation' a year ago - someone said something how she's no iconic Lois, and I was all "*light bulb* Wait a sec, look at the way Clark and Lex are written!" lol
I think the problem is that they want more seasons (8 luckily being the last) and I bet they never dreamed about show going on for so long, so basically they've written themselves into a corner without a plan. I don't think it's only Lois who has restrictions. The can't have Clark in a suit, we know they said he won't fly. They can't move the show to Metropolis because it's named Smallville. And if they wanted to build successful political career for Lex that would have mean separate storyline for few seasons, less time with characters in SV, no chance of Clexana mess - because how in hell would a politician sell that?! And now they have Lex beaten even by Jonathan Kent. *le sigh*
Basically all the characters who they can't develop too much because of the movies are kinda f-ed. *sad smile*
They have two seasons now, as they have the end planned, to try and fix this watered down mess of a mythos they created. I'm not sure I believe they'll be able to do it, or have enough time to pull it off convincingly.

BTW send DTS thingy. Am I suppose to get a reply that they got my PM?

Oh have you heard that Tom's management have now denied he is doing the movie!

I think the problem is that they want more seasons (8 luckily being the last) and I bet they never dreamed about show going on for so long, so basically they've written themselves into a corner without a plan.

And true *sighs* JG recently mentioned that it was originally a five year plan. People give the writers a hard time for Clark not getting as much focus in seasons 6 and 7, but I'm not sure how much they can do with him when the actor has had in his contract that he won't ever wear the suit, and plus A&M want to keep it focused on Clark's growing up years. But Clark has grown up (specially once Jonathon died in season 5, which was presumedly originally going to push Clark towards Superman in what they thought would be their final year). His story has been going in circles for a while now, especially with the endless moping in the barn over a normal life with Lana, when her role should have been as the "high school sweetheart". Labyrinth could have been the turning point there, instead it's more stalling.

BTW send DTS thingy. Am I suppose to get a reply that they got my PM?

Oh did the mods contact you then? I wasn't sure if they would or not...And hmm, I'm never sure how the confirmations work actually..

Hee, poor Lex. What this stupid show has done to him. The character originally had such charisma (especially in S1) and I used to have no problem picturing him becoming president in the future. I still see glimpses of that charisma every now and then, but I really miss how cocky, smooth, and intelligent he used to be. :(

But then again, George W. Bush was elected (twice...well, sort of) so I suppose charisma and intelligence aren't necessary to get into the Oval Office. :P

The character originally had such charisma (especially in S1) and I used to have no problem picturing him becoming president in the future. I still see glimpses of that charisma every now and then, but I really miss how cocky, smooth, and intelligent he used to be. :(

Yep. His way of dealing with people such as Roger Nixon and Carrie Castle was so smooth back in season 1. But as seasons 6 goes on, it seems I associate Lex more and more with spending most of his time in labs being shifty, rather than working on his PR. I mean technically Clark never getting the proof to actually convict Lex, does suggest some smoothness. But I suppose I see that more as Lex being smart at not being caught, while at the same time most (if not all?) of the SV residents do see Lex as the untrustworthy bad guy, and understand that he's only not in prison because of his wealth and connections.

As soon as Lionel was determined to no longer being seen as a Luthor, he seemed to totally turn around a lot of peoples opinions of him, the infamous example of him tucking into dinner at the Kent's with Chloe, Oliver, Clark, Martha, and all thoughts of his past forgotten. And he can still take an interest in Level 33.1 and quietly blackmail Lana, but he presents a different face to the public. Lex never has

Lex for president? That'd be a little scary, don't you think?

(and thanks for the add!)

Hee I know, but according to the Hourglass vision, it is supposed to happen o_0 He's going to have to work on the voters a lot before that happens!

Yup, that's true! Maybe he'll BUY the votes, mwahahaha. O.O;

I think Lex could be Prez still. He's covered up his stint at Belle Reve. He's pawned all of his experiments off on his dad and covered up/paid off a lot of SVians. His experiments often end up killing the minions who would squeal. Even almost murdering Lana - he gets off/away.

Plus I think we'll see the rise of Lex for the rest of this year. Lex spent MILLIONS rebuilding (and thus endebting) Metropolis. He is very philantropic on the surface. It's people who know him (like Ollie) or who live in a town used by the experimental plants (like SV) who seem to not like him. At the gala's, the weddings, all of that - he seems fairly popular.

Lex to the media/researchers has had some bad marriage luck. (He wouldn't be the first nominee with multiple marriages, and I bet if we went back far enough we could find some re-married ones too). Desiree had a noted case of mind control -- which IMO is debatable how far that one got out.

Helen? Sure they would know about Helen to some degree; poor tragic accident on their wedding day and all of that. Lana? Given that she's in her twenties when she married him, and they were a media it couple - sure (course I'm not forgetting the possibility of a rehook up). Lex is sor tof known for a serial monogomist kind of guy. If anything I think he'd have the whole "Charm to rise above" aspect going on.

Plus remember Lex's presidency, he ended up getting run out off office and wanted to go to jail and became a career criminal after that...sooo..

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