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[personal profile] frelling_tralk
:eyes little hearts suspiciously: This all seems rather strange to me, and I know that a lot of my flit is against it. What seems odd is that apparently you don't even get a notification of which user liked your entry, LJ just tells you that someone did? So it's not even a lazy way of acknowledging that you read an entry, but just had nothing to say. The user won't know that you were the particular user that liked their entry (from what I understand anyway?), so what exactly is the point of it?!?

It does lead rather nicely into more of my thoughts on Black Mirror though, so there is that *g*


'Nosedive' was another great episode, the worldbuilding was very well done and I liked how it criticised social media culture. Like the hacking of personal details in "Shut Up And Dance", this episode was so effective because it all felt so scarily possible. As someone who dreads social niceties, it really hit home! I like Live Journal because it's more about the content that you're posting, whereas other social media sites like Facebook and Instagram are much more about the person posting, and cultivating a certain online image.

The ending was less of a clearcut downbeat one as she seems to end it feeling truly liberated by being able to say what she thinks and not worry about people rating her, but it's probably not all that happy an ending ultimately in a world where your rankings determine so much of your life? She'll have lost the deposit for her new apartment, probably her job too, but at least she will be living a more authentic experience I guess :shrugs: But it did seem a bit odd when Lacie's brother would judge her for caring so much about her rating, almost like the episode was making it more about judging her for petty social climbing which shouldn't even matter, but in actual fact having a high rating was pretty crucial for such essentials as access to decent healthcare, transport etc, so was it really all that ridiculous for Lucie to be desperate to raise her rating to a more socially acceptable one? Her determination to win over the wedding guests wasn't out of some arbitrary desire to win over the beautiful people and feel special, it was because she genuinally needed their social currency to help her secure a better living arrangement. It was a messed-up world yes, but Lacie's way of navigating said world actually made a lot of sense. Even if she did ultimately find it more liberating to commit social suicide and refuse to play that game, that did mean ending up in prison without much in the way of future prospects

Ooh and one thing that did occur to me was that I'm not sure how well the whole rating system would actually work in reality, because wouldn't everyone be terrified to rate someone with less than five stars in case they then got an unfavourable rating back? We see Lacie getting immediate feedback on how she had been rated, so what's to stop her from then giving those people the same low ratings back? It strikes me as being similar to how ebay works in the real world with mutually beneficial feedback, so I just can't see many people being honest with their ratings. You see Lacie giving absolutely everyone she interacted with five stars, but that would make the whole system pretty meaningless if most people are presumably going to be giving out as many favourable ratings as possible in the hope of having the same ratings back.



Meh I did not like 'Playtest' at all unfortunately, firstly I felt like the set-up went on for waaaay too long and really dragged, I found Cooper a really cocky, dumb, and annoying protagonist, and the testing of the technology didn't really have much of a point to it in the end. Piling on the twists at the end felt especially predictable, episodes based on virtual reality always try with the triple fake-out of, 'they were still in the game the whole time' :gasp: , but is anyone really surprised by that any more? Maybe I'm just a sadist lol, but I think it would have been a lot cooler if it had ended with him stuck on an endless loop, knowing that he was never going to escape the game

Also anything with the giant spider made me seriously nauseated, I had to cover the screen up for most of that section, and I still saw more of it than I wanted too :(



'San Junipero' was one of my favourites, just the love story in itself was really beautiful, and then I loved how they tied it all up with the revelation that Yorkie had spend her entire life paralysed, and San Junipero was going to be her second chance to live her adult life to the full. Hee I thought it was an especially nice touch how you first watch the changing clothes montage with the assumption that it was meant to be tv editing magic, and then later on you realise that she really was changing clothes in an instant!

The ending with "Heaven is a place on Earth" playing was a really joyous one to me, but I can also understand why some people found it a bit sinister/creepy to know that it was actually all a simulation, that can be a bit trippy to think about. Seeing the robot actually adding them to San Junipero, along with billions and billions of others already being there, it was a little bit unnerving in some ways. But yeah Idk, I still took it as a really touching and bittersweet ending, whether they were physically there or not, they were still happy and it felt real to them. I'm not really sure why I've seen comments talking about it only being a copy of the original person in San Junipero, I thought the episode had made it very clear that it was the same consciousness in both realities? We'd already seen them retaining all their memories of travelling both and forth to San Junipero, so it wasn't like it ended on a big question mark of what existing in San Junipero really meant



I wasn't crazy about 'Men Against Fire' for most of its running time tbh (okay I was actually pretty bored!) I'm someone who rarely guesses twists correctly, but I thought that whole thing about the 'roaches' not being what they seemed was SUPER obvious, especially with all of the emphasis on how it would really mess you up to kill a human, but "roaches" were different, so that made me a bit impatient to get to the reveal already. But then I did really like the last 15 minutes or so dealing with Stripe realising how technology had been used on him to completely dehumanise the enemy, the ending and the video flashback were both really chilling. Personally I would have preferred for the implant failure and reveal to have happened a lot earlier in the episode, if they had edited the first half down a bit more then they could have spend most of the running time on his struggle to take it all in



And finally I did enjoy 'Hated In The Nation', the build-up was really good with that one I thought, and I liked how closely it tied in to journalism today with the negative coverage of disabled people. I think something similar to the war memorial outcry has happened in reality as well? The whole thing of the bees burrowing through your brain to cause an absolutely agonising death was just horrifying. I liked what a dark look at public shaming it was, the fact that people continued using the hashtag on twitter, even knowing there would be real life consequences for it, that was pretty chilling

On thing I did wonder though was why people couldn't just wear masks if the bees tracked them down through facial recognition?



I think I would rate the episodes:

1. 'Shut Up And Dance'

2. 'San Junipero'

3. 'Nosedive'

4. 'Hated In The Nation'

5. 'Men Against Fire'

6. 'Playtest'

Date: 2016-11-03 12:30 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kalliel
IDK about getting notifications of any kind, like via email or whatever, but I've experimented a bit and if you hover over the heart function, it seems like it will tell you who left the hearts? So if someone goes on some bizarre heart-leaving spree on old entries (lol) you'll likely never know, but if you look at a recent entry you should be able to tell?

This is just speculation, though, since TBH LJ's notification system for mentions has only ever work arbitrarily for me SINCE ITS INCEPTION. XD And for the last few months has not only worked only for some people, but now it only tells me, sometimes, when someone has mentioned my name in a post, somewhere... Luckily no one off my flist has mentioned me ever, so I've always ultimately seen the post I got notified about my scrolling through my flist. But if someone I didn't know DID mention me, I'd know it happened and never be able to find the post! And that would drive me mad. XD

Date: 2016-11-03 12:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
Ah okay, that makes a little more sense! I haven't had any likes myself yet :sniffs: , so I'm not sure exactly how it's meant to work, but I thought it was odd when I heard that you just get a notification that someone liked your entry, but no name with it

Date: 2016-11-03 12:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] infinitewhale.livejournal.com

Seems like just another way to kill interaction...

Date: 2016-11-03 12:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
Yeah not many LJ users seem to be in favour of it, I mean awesome if someone liked an entry of mine I guess, but I'd much rather have a proper discussion on what I had to say

Date: 2016-11-03 10:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] infinitewhale.livejournal.com

Liking seems like a better fit for a graphics-oriented site like Tumblr. A person might not be able to offer anything on a piece of fanart.

LJ is still text-based, so a like is kind of a thanks for nothing after someone writes a couple thousand words.

On the other hand, no one is saying they have to use it.

As long as they don't import the tag system and culture, I don't mind it. :P

Date: 2016-11-03 01:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_profiterole_/
The news post says that notifications need to be enabled here, so I suppose that people who receive a first heart without enabling the notifications get a general notification and that proper notifications will have all the info necessary. Otherwise, it doesn't seem very useful.

Date: 2016-11-03 01:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
It does already have it ticked under "email me" if someone likes an entry of mine, but not for notifications in my inbox. The email I received just now said that someone liked my post, but that was all it said, so yeah it doesn't seem incredibly useful to just get an email with no name attached
Edited Date: 2016-11-03 01:44 pm (UTC)

Date: 2016-11-03 01:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_profiterole_/
Oh, they must have changed the default, because I ticked mine myself.

Date: 2016-11-03 01:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lilly-the-kid.livejournal.com
I don't get the heart thing. I only see them when I'm logged out. When I click on one I'm asked to log in. Once I'm logged in there are no hearts to be seen... I don't really want to use this, I just think this is strange.

Date: 2016-11-03 01:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
Apparently it's not showing up for some people if they're using the older LJ style?

Date: 2016-11-03 01:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lilly-the-kid.livejournal.com
Oh, yes, that could be it. Oh well *shrugs* :)

Date: 2016-11-03 01:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] livejournal.livejournal.com
Hello! Your entry got to top-25 of the most popular entries in LiveJournal!
Learn more about LiveJournal Ratings in FAQ (http://www.dreamwidth.org/support/faqbrowse?faqid=303).

Date: 2016-11-03 02:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 12-12-12.livejournal.com
What seems odd is that apparently you don't even get a notification of which user liked your entry, LJ just tells you that someone did?

If you hover over the number next to the heart then it gives you a list of who's liked the post.

But I'm not sure if the feature really adds anything lol. xD
Edited Date: 2016-11-03 02:41 pm (UTC)

Date: 2016-11-04 12:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
Well it gives us something new to complain about at least :P

Date: 2016-11-03 03:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tabaqui.livejournal.com
The really fun thing is, i don't even see/ have the hearts, because my theme or whatever it's called doesn't support it. So *yay*. :)

Date: 2016-11-04 10:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
That's cool, no need to worry about it then *g*

Date: 2016-11-03 03:45 pm (UTC)
ruuger: My hand with the nails painted red and black resting on the keyboard of my laptop (Default)
From: [personal profile] ruuger
in actual fact having a high rating was pretty crucial for such essentials as access to decent healthcare, transport etc, so was it really all that ridiculous for Lucie to be desperate to raise her rating to a more socially acceptable one?

But did it really? I mean, her brother and the truck driver both seemed to be able to live their life quite happily without a high rating. To me it seemed like what the high rating gave you was an access to a VIP treatment and status symbols - I don't think it was said that Lucie couldn't get any place to live without a high rating, just that she couldn't get her perfect dream house.

the testing of the technology didn't really have much of a point to it in the end
Yeah, I agree. The whole episode just seemed totally pointless to me.

I also agree with you on "Men Against Fire". It had a good germ of an idea, but not enough story for a full hour.

On thing I did wonder though was why people couldn't just wear masks if the bees tracked them down through facial recognition?

You know, that is a very good question :D

Date: 2016-11-04 12:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
I agree with that to an extent, but at the same time it was still a society that was entirely run on the points system, so we see Lucie being inconvenienced by not even being able to get another flight without having the appropriate rating (and then not being able to access a more modern car), and the truck driver only decided that the system wasn't worth it after her husband couldn't get the urgent medical treatment that he needed without a certain rating. And I can't remember what happened with the guy in Lucie's workplace, but wasn't it something like he was being frozen out/about to lose his job because of his lower rating? So it seemed like the system was designed to have a knock-on negative affect in every walk of life. Lacie could have probably got by on her original rating without trying so hard to get to the top, but dropping so much lower is going to make it almost impossible for her to find employment, and she is going to be shunned by most people


And yeah, "Playtest" didn't interest me as much as the episodes that had a really interesting point to make, it just seemed to be aiming for a horror movie feel? It was a funny twist at the end that the failure to return his mother's calls was what killed him, but it wasn't exactly the most profound episode. Mostly I couldn't get into it because I couldn't stand the main character though, he was such a dumbass when he was shrugging everything off and seeming amused by it, even after being told that he was going to be in a simulation based on his worst fears and he would need a safe word. Who would be so casual about something like that, he wasn't a character that I could relate to at all


And "Men Against Fire" could have made for a strong 30 minute episode, but yeah with 45-50 minutes running time (something like that?) it felt like the build-up lasted waaaay too long, especially when it was telegraphed so early on that there was going to be a twist with the "roaches"

Date: 2016-11-04 08:36 pm (UTC)
ruuger: My hand with the nails painted red and black resting on the keyboard of my laptop (Default)
From: [personal profile] ruuger
Ah, you're right about the truck driver's treatment. I'd completely forgotten about that.

I've read some people call "Playtest" a homage to Bioshock, and I wonder if I'd enjoyed it more if I was familiar with that game. Probably not :)

Date: 2016-11-05 02:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
It did seem like an episode that would appeal more to fans of video games

Date: 2016-11-03 03:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malicat.livejournal.com
Huh,I don't have this? Or maybe it only works when you have the 'new' friends page?

Date: 2016-11-04 12:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
I think it depends on if you have the older style or not, a lot of people have said they haven't been seeing them

Date: 2016-11-03 06:36 pm (UTC)
ext_19622: (Kate - ncis)
From: [identity profile] xfirefly9x.livejournal.com
I read about the hearts/'liking' system, but I haven't seen it on any journals I've been on just yet. I figure it's because I have the old version of LJ? Might switch to check it out...

Date: 2016-11-04 12:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
Yeah quite a few people have been saying the same thing, apparently it depends on what style your LJ is

Date: 2016-11-03 08:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] andrea-deer.livejournal.com
Idk about the hearts, I think they're such a small change they don't really deserve much of negative reaction *shrugs* But I have yet to see a change on LJ that was not met with automatic dislike from almost everyone XD I think it's one more way LJ is trying to be more like tumblr in hope to get the people who left back, but I doubt it will work or change much really.

Date: 2016-11-04 12:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
I'm not fussed by them particularly, it seems like most people are just planning to ignore them anyway, so it shouldn't make that much of a difference. But I suppose that none of us are particularly fond of change, or we wouldn't still be on LJ :P

Date: 2016-11-03 09:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kazzy-cee.livejournal.com
If you hover over the heart it tells you who left it.

I like it, but it's not on the app which is frustrating.

Date: 2016-11-04 12:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
It does seem odd that it only tells you on the entry itself though, it makes the emails kind of pointless!

Date: 2016-11-03 10:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sabotabby
I've watched all but the last one now (so I'm skipping your review of that).

San Junipero was my favourite. Even hearing it described as the one with a happy ending (I would say "Nosedive" was also a happy ending, but far less so, I did not expect to find an episode of Black Mirror genuinely heartwarming.

I totally called "Men Against Fire" 10 minutes into it. But I liked it.

Date: 2016-11-04 12:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
I was surprised to find quite a few people unsettled by the ending, because yeah the idea of living in a virtual reality is a little bit out there sure, but I thought the episode definitely sold it as ~a good thing~ It felt like a positive outcome that was very much earned IMO

And I liked where 'Men Against Fire' ultimately went, I just wish that the first half hour or so hadn't dragged so much for me.

Date: 2016-11-03 11:51 pm (UTC)
lynnenne: (mood: angel is confused)
From: [personal profile] lynnenne
I got an email notice telling me that someone liked a recent post, but it didn't tell me who. It just said "someone". I found it odd, because the post was friends-locked, so obviously it was someone on my flist. Why so mysterious, LJ?

Date: 2016-11-04 12:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
Yeah I don't see the point of the email notifications at all, not if they're not even going to mention which user liked your entry
Edited Date: 2016-11-04 12:59 am (UTC)

Date: 2016-11-04 10:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] penderies.livejournal.com

I'm not seeing no like button O.o

Date: 2016-11-04 12:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
Are you using the old version of LJ? Apparently it's only showing up in the new style
From: [identity profile] livejournal.livejournal.com
User [livejournal.com profile] ljrobot referenced to your post from US : Весь НЕ кириллический сегмент : Лучшие посты за вчера (http://ljrobot.livejournal.com/1252588.html) saying: [...] [...]

Date: 2016-11-05 02:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wheatear.livejournal.com
I rate this entry 5 stars!

(God, but can you imagine if the world was really like Nosedive? I think that was my favourite episode of the lot.)

Date: 2016-11-05 02:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
Oh absolutely! 'Nosedive' left a really strong impression on me when you think about how much someone's facebook is starting to become a factor in today's world. It's definitely an episode that seems like an eerily possible future, and that's why that one (and 'Shut Up And Dance') probably freaked me out the most

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